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I wish more writers could go off the boil and still write Flex Mentallo, We3, the Invisibles, New X-Men and All Star Superman. Not every Morrison projects strikes gold but I think he really tries hard to push the medium and not repeat himself. I don't think he could ever be accused of treading water as a writer. I too have great affection his Animal Man and Doom Patrol days but I think its very strange to dismiss his work since then.

If only more writers would take the risk and think outside of the box, not everything he does manages to hit the target dead on but it's always a helluva ride. Though you could argue that he's the only allowed to do this because he's Grant Morrison.

It did always seem strange to me that they would launch a comic aimed at kids for a movie rated '15' so none of them could go and see it.

The rating, both in the US and the UK, came as a surprise and a disappointment to the producers of the Stallone Dredd movie — they were pitching it as the big summer blockbuster and confidently expected to get a PG, particularly since the movie wasn't significantly more violent than — say — whichever of the Batman movies came out the same year. In the UK, I think the BBFC is/was particularly twitchy about headbutts.

Notoriously so - three headbuts were removed from The Matrix to bring it down to a 15 rating from what would of been an 18! There's a bunch of other movies had the same treatment too, not only for headbuts but any damage inflicted to the head (slaps to the head were cut from Stallone's Demolition Man too).

I understand (but don't fully agree with) the sexual violence and animal violence they chop without mercy but the head thing has always been a headscratcher.

The Wonderland Original Trilogy Omnibus is 99c on comixology at the mo.

It collects Return to Wonderland #0-6, Beyond Wonderland #0-6, Escape From Wonderland #0-6, All Ten Issues of Tales From Wonderland and the Return to Wonderland Annuals so quite a few comics for the cash.

What are the major costs of launching a new comic?

Keep in mind also that the wholesalers, like WH Smith, will want 45-60% of your cover price, so they will be resistant to a price that they deem as 'too low' since it won't be a cost-effective use of their shelf space.

Those WH Smith percentages are shocking and short minded - very much shooting themselves in the foot.

Nowadays we assume kids just want to play x-box, but is it just a case of them not reading comics because they are too expensive for them? I really believe that price is the key problem that is stopping kids reading comics.

If you think about it, a kid isn't likely to pick up a comic and take it straight to the cashier. They are more likely to run to mum and ask them to buy it, but the first thing mum will look at is the price.

I think the bigger issue is that most comics are not actually comics but cheap plastic toys with comics attached to them. I think the only thing that's on the shelf that are value for money is the Marvel Collector's Editions that Panini put out - £2.95 for three reprints of US comics with a card cover out monthly (every two weeks for Spider-Man).

I think kids themselves are leaning towards more the digital experience - The Dandy has gone into digital and kids comic The Phoenix seems to do really well in that space too.

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Having recently returned to the comic, I was quite surprised at the proper swearing in it. Using film certificates as a general guide, it is probably a 15+ with some of the language and, as Recrewt pointed out, the Zombo eye gauging!

Pity really. There is such a dearth of decent British comics for kids, relying instead on movie and TV franchises with crap toys stuck to the front.

Maybe there could be a more kid friendly version of 2000AD. Move Dandridge into that, and keep Zombo and Stickleback in a 15+ mag. I'd still buy both, and could try and convert my 9 year old to a more kid friendly proper thrill-power comic.

I think over the last 10 or so issues, it has been suitable for younger readers. Absolutely no swearing, nudity or violence, other than in Zombo. However, violence in comics doesn't mean it's for older readers only and there's little control over it. Marvel and DC often have quite unnecessary and over the top violence in their "all-ages" comics, especially the darker characters like batman and wolverine. Parents seeing a kid reading a superhero comic arent gonna think anything of it, it's a superhero comic. On top of that, yeah there's no actual nudity in marvel/DC but the way women are generally dressed and drawn is way too over-sexualised for an all-ages comic.

It's sad that seeing the female form depicted in a non-sexualised way is still a WTF moment in the big two's books. There's been a bit of swearing here and there over last few progs but nothing that wouldn't want my kids reading (didn't think the baby thing in Cadet Anderson was that shocking as was hardly depicted in a photo realistic way).  Alas getting my oldest son to read anything at the minute is proving tough.

Feel like I have to stick up for Bolland's recolouring. It doesn't feel like I'm reading on acid any more and makes the comic less of its time like the subtle recolouring on Year One. IMO. I do own/ like both though!

The specific issue with continuity in the post-DoC stories is this: the judges lost, completely and irrevocably, and the MC-1 Our Hero was created to serve is dead.  Dredd's story at the moment is scurrying about trying to do something with the pieces that are left. 

Well you say that. But I've yet to really get the impression that the Judges are in a precarious position post DoC. I mean, we are often shown crumbling sectors, and reminded about how many people died.

But the city still seems to function, the Judges still seem to judge, and the world keeps turning. So I've been a bit disappointed with the ramifications of Day of Chaos. Like Rebellion just can't pull the trigger on how BAD things would actually be if that much of the city was wrecked. It should basically be those Apocalypse War scenes after the bombs drop and Dredd and the Judges are roving around, all. the. time.

IMO

The biggest thing I've noticed post DoC was the 1st page synopsis changed to reflect the reduced 50 million cit count Other than that I don't feel they've done a great job of really getting the insane loss and devastation across well.

I'll avoid it on your say but if I have nothing but people telling me how they remembered it as being bad but it's actually really good or it's just a misunderstood classic over the following days then it's your forum picture I'll be shaking my fist at, pal. I may even hiss your name as I do it.

I'm a big M Night Shyamalan apologist and Lady in the Water is the one movie I'd recommend you forget exists. It's really bad on so many levels, it's a half baked plot that appears to have been filmed from a first draft script. Shyamalan casts himself in a real ego feeding role and writes in a critic who gets killed (real subtle). It's not worth watching even for a "so bad it's good" way (that's The Happening).

There's a bunch of kickstarters where the creators have disappeared into the night. Big difference between that and pre ordering.

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Sure they can charge what they like for it, its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years. Of course the market is there for this book and they know it that's why they have decided to rinse people for so much money. I'm sure there was nothing stopping them offering a more standard edition along side the limited edition for those that wanted it, but they haven't.

But that's going back to the legal grounds that this is currently in, don't mean to repeat others posts earlier in the thread but if these 1000 get out in the wild with "no issues" then that'll put Rebellion in clear for futher individual volumes sold via normal retailers (and Diamond can list with confidence), which I'll be first in queue for.

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Could be small print run for a large hardback book = profit margin smaller than we think?

Price seems bit harsh compared to something like the [signed] Termight Edition of Nemesis but it's probably justified going off purely how much press this got yesterday.

Wow this thread is a depressing read, was there no mods around here circa 2005? 

£100 payable on order in July or on despatch in Dec?

The Nemesis Colour Collection was pay up front and then wait.

They normally do pay up front and wait. 

On subject of price £100 is not far off the DC absolute editions, the Martha Washington hardback was about this price as well and the same is true of the Walking Dead slipcase GN's.  That said they do tend to have a range of extras to justify the extra price.  Somehow though I doubt an intro by the writer / artist or a signed and numbered edition is going to be forthcoming.  Shame really.

I'd love to see what he'd inscribe on these. Leave Morrison alone with1000 books.