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#2146
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 April, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
Well, quite. When I were a young squaxx I had no idea all this stuff was being cobbled together on the fly. References to other strips were often throwaway yet complementary, which just added to that sense of there being some thought-through shared universe occulted to all accept those prepared to initiate themselves.


Quite.

I have been reading / watching quite a lot recently about how the Prog was put together e.g. Steve MacManus' book, Thrill Power Overload, Future Shock documentary, 40th panels etc.

What really strikes me is the production line feel of "we have to get this out every week, come what may" (a couple of strikes notwithstanding) and the impact that could have on quality. Also of note were why

- some stories wrapped up really fast e.g. Inferno because management had had enough of it(s violence)
- others wrapped up or were placed on hold to make way for incoming stories from mergers with Starlord (The Cursed Earth for goodness sake!!!) and Tornado (Project Overkill and Dan Dare)
- some stories were spun out for 20 to 30 episodes rather than the 6 their content justified (because a particular writer twigged he got paid by the episode and so set out to make stories last as long as possible)

And there I was viewing them as all meticulously planned out.

So really, it is amazing they all hang together as well as they do. They certainly weren't written to be endless debated by the 8 year olds they were read by, on an Internet (what's that then?) forum 38/39/40 years later by the same 8 years who are now in their late 40s, who seize on fleeting details and use them to imply whole time-lines and connections.

But it's fun to do so and beats watching EastEnders.  :lol:
#2147
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 02:48:54 PM
I guess with Slaine it doesn't matter as his stories are set so far before that you can imagine it pre-dating anything.

Until he starts travelling in time (again) or gets reincarnated as a Cornish taxi driver in the 1990s. But that's not going to happen.
#2148
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 April, 2017, 02:25:57 PM
Depending on which timeline you want to believe, HH takes place in 2050, which makes Giant Senior's appearance in Dredd more believable than if you take Inferno being set in 2078.

Ok fair enough on that picture - I can go with that.

2050 for HH is certainly the date I am working with. Don't recall Inferno being stated as being in 2078 and indeed that would make almost no sense both in terms of the time elapsed since HH and Origins.
#2149
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 April, 2017, 02:06:36 PM
A Ron Smith MC-1 doesn't look much like a Mick McMahon MC-1.

True but they both at least have blocks in them. To my eye there is literally nothing in the HH world that looks like it is going to become Dredd's MC-1, although I agree it has a few decades to get there.

I wonder - has it ever been stated when the first block was built?
#2150
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 01:44:10 PM
Fair point Tordels. And indeed I had overlooked the whole Golgotha thing - that firmly links ABC Warriors to Dredd and hence to Nemesis.

But I must have missed the links between Slaine and Nemesis other than they are both written by Pat.


(And while I'm here, Harlem Heroes was stated to be in Mega City One very early on....only it never, ever looked like the one Dredd was going to be in).
#2151
General / Re: ABC Warriors Time line
04 April, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
I wouldn't skip the ABC Warriors in Nemesis stories, because they are great. Indeed I would put Nemesis above ABC Warriors in the pecking order.

A Judge also appears in Nemesis and like the Hammerstein - Dredd tie up, I think it is best to ignore it. Anything else leads to too much complication.
#2152
General / Re: Thoughts on the fall of deadworld?
31 March, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 March, 2017, 11:23:07 AM
I really like it, the work that Dave puts into the concept art is astonishing, worthy of a book by itself.

I watched the Dave Kendall from the drawing board video today- very interesting. I would recommend checking it out for those interested in how the artists do their work.
#2153
News / Re: Judge Dredd: Blessed Earth
31 March, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 31 March, 2017, 07:46:28 AM
.. I have the Annual but haven't read it yet.

Me too.

Then again I haven't read the last 6 issues of Mega City Zero yet.

Come to think of it I have yet to read the last few issues of the first IDW Dredd series. And that's been, what, two years?

I will get round to them at some point, but for now I just can't summon up enough enthusiasm for them. Not when my proper 2000AD reading list is so long (even though I have read the originals already).

Still I have subscribed to the Blessed - I just can't help it.
#2154
Prog / Re: Prog 2024 - Meet Harvey
28 March, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: CalHab on 25 March, 2017, 03:47:50 PM
The dates don't seem to tie up in Brink. It says Yuliya habitat was built 2075AD, but the pilot and two characters at the end were born on Yuliya before then. Or have I missed something?

I guess families of people working on the construction of the habs lived there before they were opened.
#2155
Film & TV / Re: Last movie watched...
27 March, 2017, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 March, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
(As an aside, I very nearly shouted "Shut up and take my money!" at the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 trailer...)

I watched all 3 trailers on a friend's brand new 50 inch 4K telly on Saturday.

Excitedly looking forward to it doesn't cover it...looking forward to this even more than SW ep 8.
#2156
Prog / Re: Prog 2024 - Meet Harvey
25 March, 2017, 03:48:37 PM
Good Prog this week.

Dredd some how managed to pull off the trick of being fresh whilst going over ground we've been over a few times before, with a promise that "this time it'll be different."

Brink is just superb and re-enforces the feeling that this is one of the very best of the new generation of thrills. Kurtis' new job made me have a quick look at how Book 1 finished and to my great surprised I discovered a mistake in Barney! Book 1 ended in Prog 1992, not 1993.

Scarlett Traces continues to be surprisingly good to read, given I have take a while to appreciate it. Now that I have - yeah great stuff.

Likewise with Deadworld. Nice flashback / dream sequence.

There were a couple of weak links for me this week - the future shock and droid life.
#2157
General / Re: Your Favorite Prog Covers!
25 March, 2017, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Spikes on 25 March, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
Mmmm, this is a toughie...

I think Prog 61 will always be my absolute favourite cover, but Prog 178 kinda gets me in ways that no other cover does.

I've brilliant memories of that period.

And it came with a free gift - very important that, Tharg should bring them back.... 

And it always strikes me as being the start of the first golden period. Though in truth, I think it started a few progs before.



Yes I agree. Prog 178 is absolutely iconic for me.
#2158
General / Re: Your Favorite Prog Covers!
25 March, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Probably Prog 61 for me.

I have actually never owned the actual Prog, but I have had the T-Shirt twice.

http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/61.jpg

(BTW I don't know how to post the actual image - any tips?)
#2159
Here's my I can't believe no-ones mentioned them yet list:

Venus Bluegenes
Defoe
Elfric
Lobster Random
Shakara
Jupe, Smith
Hershey, McGruder
Steelhorn, Happy
Tranny Rex
Evans the Fist, Precious Matson
Otto Sump
Aquila
Wren
Howard Quartz
Dimtri Romanov, Tsar Vladimir
#2160
General / Re: Things that went over your head...
24 March, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?