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Great to see some fellow admirers of the mighty Husker Du on this forum. Z

Awwww, she had a good run 85.

C'mon Prof, giraffeing a laugh.

C'mon Tombo, your sinister post justifying the killing of that poor Giraffe is just the latest clandestine move in the Dragonfly led insect war against us mammals.

S'true TordelBack, I come from a farming background (along the Tyrone/Monaghan border in NI). Animal welfare is at the heart of all we do. We preserve hedgerows, eschew chemical herbicides and generally work with the land and environment. It is sad that sometimes the decisions taken result in deaths of animals either as a commercial or welfare decision.
Still in all I do feel a degree of compassion for the poor auld Giraffe.

 :lol:Tombo:

That LeBeouf's one arrant, annoying little prick. LeBeouf; LeBite more like.

Dudley, I agree therein is the rub. I am not, I hope, being deliberately contentious. As I said before we are in a situation today where the levers of influence and control have been stolen away from us over the past 2 decades. Like many others on this thread and I guess like many others in the civilised world we realise we are in a situation where we are essentially denuded of the mechanisms whereby this control can be legitimately wrested back. I can see with a fear filled heart others of a less democratic nature greedily filling this vacuum in the years to come.
My previous posts have possibly been something of a cathartic rant, but in the words Dylan Thomas 'do not go gentle into that good night'.

I never thought I'd say anything remotely good about Bush (being democratic and non elitist by nature): but at least his administration had the 'balls' to let Lehmans go to the wall, all that a party which, as previously pointed out, I naturally identify with has done is to bail the rest of these b*****ds out cause they're too big to fail.  This exercise has been repeated throughout the west. As my prior posts went, you couldn't make it up.

Dudley did you mean 'Ed Balls' in your last. Yes parties fire out a manifesto before every election promising us big rock candy apple mountain but  as soon as the elections over blammon this process is repeated ad finitum ad nauseum. See Lib dems in uk or the FG Lab coalition in the south of Ireland. I'm sorry to say but our interests are not being addressed in any meaningful way (hence the situation vast swathes of citizens in the west have painfully found out over the past few years). Z

  Salve Deus Rex Judarium.

Theblazeuk, the situation we're in now has moved far beyond 'party identification' these aren't parties which have any real sense of identification with the people anymore. They despise us and they've all been bought like whores. I'm looking at this mess with the semi-detached sense of bemusement that a ships captain has when the 3 mile wide iceberg looms out of the fog.

Or the trickle down effect they've been f**king about with over the past few years. The money trickles down as far as a bunch of investment banks and other associated garbage who stop the trickle down and push billions if not trillions into a stack market (which looks as though it'll blow in Krakatoa proportions quite soon) or they just bung it in to the Caymans.
Someone said reacently that they'd be better dropping the money onto the populace out of a fleet of helicopters (at least it would reach real people who would circulate it).
But as far as the US political class is concerned, the money is going exactly where they want it to ge that is to the vested interests who are funding their 4 yearly cycles of slash and burn.
You really couldn't design on a super computer a more dishonest, short sightedn obscene mechanism than QE as it is shaped in this instance.

Judith, I really don't get gratuitosity like this. There are some seriously worrying niche groups out there. Cube the drokkers.

Damn good read, the follow up novel wasn't really up to the first but had some really good ideas on space elevators ( or a space fountain in this instance).