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The leather upholstery has been refurbished, the scratches in the woodwork repaired by the french polisher, that nasty hole in the ceiling caused by a laser cannon has been blocked.  Almost no signs of the previous furore in the 2000AD Crown Court exists but for a strange scowl on the Judge's face and the large plasma gun in the Judge's hand.

Back again in a desperate bid to shift the backlog of unwanted stories clogging up the courtroom.  There just isn't room in the prisons, see?  Anyway, perhaps there are some new members of the jury who think some of these pitiful cases deserve saving.  If they do then they just need to say so, no postcard or sealed envelope required.

All rise for the Judge...

2000AD CROWN COURT  
(INCORPORATING THE MEGA CITY VIGILANTE)

CASE FOR THE PROSECUTION
Anyone can join in!  Basically we're trying to find a story that no one likes and at the same time showing that even the most maligned strips have a friend.  As long as it hasn't been freed already, you can nominate anything.  There is a separate list for the many Dredd related strips.

THE LIST OF THE DAMNED  
Agent Rat - Angel
Babe Race 2000 - Balls Brothers - Black Light - Bradley - Brigand Doom
Carver Hale - Chronos Carnival - Colony Earth
Dry Run
Firekind - Flesh: the Legend of Shamana
Green - Grudge Father (the)
Harlem Heroes:  Modern Era
Junker
Kid Cyborg - Kola Kommandos
Mambo - Night Zero/Beyond Zero
Para Sites/Wirehead
RAM Raiders - Rick Random - Roadkill - Robohunter (Millar) - Rogue Trooper: Fleischer Era - Rogue Trooper: White Era - Rose O'Rion
Sinister Dexter - Skizz III - Slaine: The Secret Commonwealth - Space Girls - Strontium Dogs - Survivor
Tor Cyan - Trash
Urban Strike
VC's
Wardog.
JUDGE DREDD: Red Razors (2k Version) - Supersurf 13 - Harry Snotter - In the Year 2120 - Chopper:  Earth, Wind and Fire -

CASE FOR THE DEFENCE
Just say you like a story (even better if you can put forward a convincing case for its defence) and it is freed and added to the list of the freed strips.

THE LIST OF THE SAVED... "Walk towards the light!"

ABC Warriors:  Khronicles of Khaos (Doug), Ant Wars (Wood), Armoured Gideon (Anaemic Newt/Wood), Bad Company 3 (PVS), Big Dave (Wood), Blackhawk (Milo), BLAIR 1 (Wood), The Clown (Wellsy), Danzig's Inferno (Wood), The Dead (Wood), Dead Meat (Wood), Dinosty (Watcher), Finn (Blackblood), - Future Shocks:  S. Moore (Fraston) Helltrekkers (PVS), Kelly's Eye (Wood), A Life Less Ordinary (Wake), Maniac 5 (Wood), Mean Team/Mean Arena (Anaemic Newt), Medivac 318 (Wood), Metalzoic (PVS), Really & Truly (Wood), Sancho Panzer (Logan), Shako (Milo), Shaky Kane/Shaky 2000 (Wood), Slaine: Entire Post Horned God Era (Matt), Slaughterbowl (Wood), Soul Gun Warrior (Wood), Strontium Dog:  Final Solution (Blackblood), Tales of Telguuth (Fraston) Tao de Moto (Steven LT), Time House (Wood), Vector 13 (Scojo), Zippy Couriers (Steven LT/Wood), Zenith Phase 3 (Jayzus BC)  Zzzenith.com (Steven LT).  JUDGE DREDD:  Dead Man (Scojo), Helter Skelter (Logan), Inferno (Wood), Necropolis (Wood), Judgement Day (Wood), Star Drek (PVS) - Tale of the Dead Man (Logan), The Warlord (Logan)

Read that article in comics international again and it states that 2KAD influenced the british movies Hardware and Death Machine.  Now I know about Hardware, I saw it at the cinema (minutes after I bumped into Kevin O'Neil - cool eh?) but what is this Death Machine malarky?  I must know!

Cheers

PVS

Obviously, I'm not talking about B****-1 here, but I think it would be great if Lemmy (prompted by Doug's mention of the great Lemmy Cameo in Hardware, as good as the one he did in airheads) was in 2000AD.  Someone looking very much like him appeared in one of Bisley's heavy metal Dredds.  Or Ozzy too!

Any films remind you of future shocks?  (or similar fillers)

I just got through watching the Astronaut's Wife, and it seemed to me like a five page future shock stretched to almost two hours.  It was okay though for a one watch movie.

I also regretably watched er... Jeepers Creepers which could have been a hell of a lot better and had the same sort of dumb ending I'd expect from a Terror Tale.

Cheers

PVS

I have been really looking forward to these and I've just heard someone say the preview is pants.  Awful story, bad casting.  Of course it may not be true, and I guess I'll reserve my judgement until I have heard the preview.  I really want these to be good.

Bloody hell...

I have noticed a few non sf or barely sf strips in 2000AD of late, which would probably work just as well with or without any SF.  As 2000AD's format is to remain pretty much the same as it has for the last 25 years, I'd rather keep the content SF too.

Of course the new SF which is in there is largely comic book SF, following or imitating previous strips and for science fiction you are generally just reading action stories with SF trappings.

I would like to see some more comics from rebellion, I know Jason Kingsley mentioned the posibility of more titles a bit down the road.  It would also stem these urges to take 2000AD down a different path (or many paths at the same time which would be a disaster)  I would like to see:

The HORROR of 2000AD, a dedicated horror/weird title
REAL LIFE 2000AD - Normal everday tales in the recent 21st century (within that you could venture into more strange territory).  NOT a comic like CRISIS I hasten to add.
WEIRD WORLDS of 2000AD - Fantasy comic.
SUPERHEROES of 2000AD - Superhero comic (can't think of a good title for this one off the top of my head)

I imagine they would be pretty popular, but you could branch out into Romance, Detective (yeah!), Wild West, whatever.  The beauty of it being that you could have main 2000AD characters appearing in these comics.  So Slaine could appear in the fantasy one (or spin offs from), Zenith and Storming Heaven in the Superhero one, Judge Death in the Horror one.

Of course this is just fantasy, there is no reason why one comic or company should fulfill my fantasies, but it's fun to think about it.  Any other ideas?

Happy Easter

PVS

Someone mentioned it in a nearby thread, but I'm not sure if they were joking or not.  I think the idea of a one page strip might work with Sin Dex and I'm not saying that to be rude.  

I think that it would be good to have a number of one page strips, five in fact to replace future shocks.  Maybe even some half-pagers.  The truth is that many people can't tell a decent story in five pages (me for one by my past record) but I have read a lot of decent smaller strps in comics.  One pagers, half pagers, either silly jokey strips (anyone for THRUD if you don't believe me?) that could be either one off ideas or a weekly strip.  The daily star dredd was a three panel strips about 3"x6", not that big, it did the job.  

I just feel something should be done about these fillers.  With say 5-10 (E.g 2 full page and 6 half page) small strips in an issue instead of a future shock at least you wouldn't be putting all your eggs in one basket.  You could try out a lot of new talent (future shocks no longer bring in new writing talent really do they?), lots of writers and artists and have some fun quirky SF that normally wouldn't get touched.  You could also then exploit, sorry, explore popular ideas.

I'm not sure if this would work all the time but you could consider them trailers or samplers for readers to see what they liked.

They don't read enough comics.  In my day we had comics and not all this lawless malarky.  Curfews are fine, but what will they learn if they aren't forced to read comics as part of their punishment?  Perhaps they should be beaten with comics for their crimes, or have many comics dropped upon them.  Perhaps they could do a comics national service, having to write or draw comics for a minimum of two years.  Comics on the national curriculum.  A three in one comics jab featuring 2000AD Battle and Scream.  Nu Comics.  Chain them to many comics (protected by mylar bags and acid free boards) and throw them overboard.  Let them eat comics.  Have Westlife and other inispid boybands regularly killed off by favourite comic characters of yesteryore.  Make Gareth Gates into a comic, then burn him, thereby increasing the rarity of him as well as making him largely inaccesable, and too expensive for young children.  We could make a rocket out of comics and go to a different alien world (perhaps made of comics with a comic based lifeform that speaks in speech bubbles) and live in a comic utopia.  Staple comics to our bodies and become living comics.  Make youths get only comic characters tattoo'd on their bodies so we can peel off their skins and read them as comics if they gather in groups of three or more in bus stops or on street corners.  Make-

"Come with me please sir, you'll be quite safe in the nice van"

Vote PVS for a better tomorrow (with comics)!  What's that, a needle?  Will it take me to the land of comics where comic trolls...

Fancy a FAQ?

A lot of questions seem to pop up again and again concerning characters.  It could be good to have a FAQ for some of these fings.

Warlord, comic about war from the seventies, published by the miserable scottish git?

The reaosn I ask is that I am having a clearout and found a free gift from 1979.  Called 'For Valour' it is a sort of fold out card that you stuck foil medals to.  It's not in the greatest of nick, has half the medals missing and at some point I coloured in a bit with a felt tip pen (hey, I was seven).

I was going to chuck it out but there are some strange people out there and one of them might want it.  If you do, it's yours.  Free.  Gratis.  Complimentere.

Cheers

Paul

I'm sure there isn't a written code, but I'd be interested in what can and can't go in 2000AD?  I'm sure that 'in context' you could probably do pretty much what you wanted as long as it wasn't pornographic or extremely rude.  Personally I'd rather 2000AD stayed a little innocent.  What do you think?



Anyway there are two ways to take this thread (missus) so I've added on a tawdry bit for all you smut merchants to add to the list of filth recorded in the pages of 2000AD.

NUDITY
There has been a lot of general nudity.

Well, if you count Slough Feg in the horned god, we have the male generative member (his willy).

Breasts.  Ian Gibson Breasts in Dredd for instance.  Now that's art (How much would he charge for large full coulour bootleg naked Halo Jones'?  Bloke could make a fortune.)

SWEARIN' (not made up words either)
Can't remember, I'm sure the odd 'crap' has appeared (no pun intended) in 2000AD.  I'm sure I've seen stuff that shocked me when I first read it in the pages, but I must have blanked it out.  Can't imagine we've had the

OTHER DUBIOUS STUFF
That's right, go trawl your Robbie Morrison comics :)

Not really a criticism of Mr Bis, we all know he can draw.  It's more the dreadful legacy of Bisley I fear, something he himself wasn't responsible for.

He did ABC warriors in BW, which I liked, a few other strips, then Horned God.  Horned God eh?  I have it here in front of me, in hardback.

Well, he never finsihed it really did he?  It looked great, mostly.  I don't think it was the pinnacle of Slaine in either storytelling or art.  To say it is overrated is a vast understatement.

But I would rather that Fabry had drawn it in B/W, finished it properly and told the story.  Fabry was (is) a great artist, producing to my mind the most visceral and violently enjoyable slaine to date.  It had the edge to it that I think almost every other Slaine artist has missed.  You could feel every scowl, every sword blow, every knee to the nadgers.

But, again, that's an aside.

The legacy was the terrible painted tat that followed.  Years of it.  Sorry B/W, your time is up.  Now you can't blame Bisley for this, he never told loads of people to have a fit and a billion copycats to take his place.  But it might have been better if the horned god had never happened, then we might have been spared the painted muppetry that was to follow.

Come on then, who can give the best dictionary definition of a fanboy?  

Is it the sort of person who says 'What Maketh a Fanboy'?  Or someone else, possibly from Hackney.

What's the difference between someone who reads comics and a fanboy?  What traits and attitudes divides the two?  

Or is it just an attempt to divide comic readers (universally despised and spat upon) into a further two groups, just so that people can still look at themselves in the mirror?

Rememember you are posting on a comic book message board on the internet.

Cheers!

PVS

p.s. I'm an alcoholic, I can't be a fanboy, it's mutually exclusive, I read it in New Scientist.

I just wondered if a date for Rogue Trooper was ever set in the orignal strip? (not the BLASPHEMY) I have just picked up a second hand copy of Rogue Trooper's Future Wars and in both stories dates are purposefully obscured.  Even though one isn't done very well in one panel and obviously reads 205-.  I suppose you could argue the clock was wrong (or something).

I'm sure one of you fanboys Mk13 was talking about in comics international can tell me :)  Not desperate to know, just curious.  If there are dates, is there a timeline or a chronology?  When was Mercy Shites* set?

If it is 2050 something then it is another series that falls into the fatal SF mistake of thinking sometime in the next 100 years we will be travelling to different star systems.

Also there is a shocking typo, on the first page of Message from Millicom, which I'm, just reading, it says the Date is July 5, and on the next page June 5.  It really has ruined Rogue Trooper for me forever (er.. nah but it's pretty bloody lazy).

Also I had Titan Books 1-6 and it says there are seven.  Was Future Wars the seventh book, even though it doesn't say it?  I sort of quit towards the very end of the Titan run, because I had most stories 3 or 4 times in various formats.  The titan books have remained the most durable of my stuff however and still look as shiny and nice as they did when I bought them.

I'm off to er.. touch them.  Any help on the above appreciated..

Cheers

PVS

*  Mercy Heights.  I've never read it, that isn't my opinion of the series, just the fact that it is a parasitic barnacle on Rogue's blue backside.

I don't know, just an idea.  They've had Ennis' Preacher and they are now having Hellboy, why not have some European strips at some point in the future?

I've always wanted to read Dylan Dog and that vampire series by Pat Mills.  Oh and the adult ezquera stuff :), but I guess that isn't going to happen.

Any other suitable Eurpean strips that would fit in the Meg nicely?

I know that sounds like a title for a really boring disseration, but I just wondered if some of you more media aware folk had any idea.

Over ten years ago (maybe even fifteen) comics seemed to be getting a sort of grudging respect from some quarters.  I just wondered if that was a blip.

As most readers are in their twenties and thirties, you think they would have gained some respectability by now or become more mainstream. The last media review I saw was a comics book on Late Review (can't remember it's name but it's been mentioned here).  They didn't seem very impressed, I don't think many of them were prepared to say they really liked it.

As the field is still superhero bound in the states and the teen market has died, leaving just kidies titles, I'd guess (and it is a guess) things were worse than ten years ago and not likely to get better.

Oh well, thought we could have a meaty one instead of the usual froth.

Mmmmmm... just finished reading Dredd's trial on the Med Free State. (Spoilers ahead, arrr...)  Really enjoyed it and the run up.  

I particularly enjoyed Orlok's line 'You've done it again!'  Oh, ho, ho, ho.  Sov scum.

I'll be honest, I just wanted Dredd to break the guy's back.

Don't get me wrong, I like Orlok, I liked those cute green fella's he was working for at the start too.  I guess it's a problem that all the good villains have to get away.  Frustrating too.

Oh well, I'm off to bed, Doomsday on the morrow.

Nighty Night

P

Right, I've created a Scojo group, go say what the hell you want about him, just keep it off any board I have to look at.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scojo

Cheers

paul

Petty differences and adverts aside, there hasn't been any posts over the weekend.  Wow, that must have been some party.

Oh well, the 2000AD crown court is below if anyone one wants to have a go at that.  You can now add Dredd stories, as long as you know the title.

I'm off to tap a few more keys.

See thee



2000AD CROWN COURT  
(INCORPORATING THE MEGA CITY VIGILANTE)

Anyone can join in!  Basically we're trying to find a story that no one likes and at the same time showing that even the most maligned strips have a friend.  As long as it hasn't been freed already, you can nominate anything.  There is a separate list for the many Dredd related strips.

THE LIST OF THE DAMNED...  
Agent Rat - Ant Wars - Babe Race 2000 - Black Light - Chronos Carnival - Colony Earth - Dry Run - Flesh: the Legend of Shamana - Green - Grudge Father (the) - Harlem Heroes:  Modern Era - Junker - Kola Kommandos - Mambo - Night Zero/Beyond Zero - Para Sites/Wirehead - RAM Raiders - Rick Random - Roadkill - Robohunter (Millar) - Rogue Trooper: Fleischer Era - Rogue Trooper: White Era - Rose O'Rion - Skizz III - Slaine: The Secret Commonwealth - Space Girls - Survivor - Tales of Telguuth - Tor Cyan - Trash - Urban Strike

DREDD LIST OF THE DAMNED...
Red Razors (2k Version) - Supersurf 13 - Harry Snotter - Star Drek - In the Year 2120 - Chopper:  Earth, Wind and Fire - The Warlord

Just say you like a story (even better if you can put forward a convincing case for its defence) and it is freed and added to the list of the freed strips.

THE LIST OF THE SAVED... "Walk towards the light!"

ABC Warriors:  Khronicles of Khaos (Doug), Armoured Gideon (Anaemic Newt/Wood), Bad Company 3 (PVS), Big Dave (Wood), Blackhawk (Milo), BLAIR 1 (Wood), The Clown (Wellsy), Danzig's Inferno (Wood), The Dead (Wood), Dead Meat (Wood), Dinosty (Watcher), Finn (Blackblood), Helltrekkers (PVS), Kelly's Eye (Wood), A Life Less Ordinary (Wake), Maniac 5 (Wood), Mean Team/Mean Arena (Anaemic Newt), Medivac 318 (Wood), Metalzoic (PVS), Really & Truly (Wood), Sancho Panzer (Logan), Shako (Milo), Shaky Kane/Shaky 2000 (Wood), Slaine: Entire Post Horned God Era (Matt), Slaughterbowl (Wood), Soul Gun Warrior (Wood), Strontium Dog:  Final Solution (Blackblood), Tao de Moto (Steven LT), Time House (Wood), Vector 13 (Scojo), Zippy Couriers (Steven LT/Wood), Zenith Phase 3 (Jayzus BC)  Zzzenith.com (Steven LT).

THE DREDD LIST OF THE SAVED... "Walk towards the light creep!"

Dead Man (Scojo), Helter Skelter (Logan), Inferno (Wood), Necropolis (Wood), Judgement Day (Wood), Tale of the Dead Man (Logan),

I can't acces the 2000AD chat room and the old room wants me to use a password which I don't have.

I don't know if work is being done on it, or something, but late night is usually when people (or fings) turn up.