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what does ron howard the director have to do with one of our greatest foes, and a someone who only gets limited internet access in the secure wing at the hospital.

Especially when suffering a double hernia after laughing so hard at how seriously you folks take things. This thread and mine have kept the whole office in stitches for days. Management theorists call it cultural architecture, I believe. Can't stop - I've booked a table at the local Indian.

It's nice to encounter someone with a modicum of manners and respect for others, at last. You are the first I have encountered here, so I will reply without persiflage.

'did you come here trying a socail experiment,'

Well, my research interests revolve around linking complexity science with emerging market trends and consumer behaviour. There is a great debate in this field that relates to the extent consumers can be coerced by marketing. Gramsci opined that coercion by the State/marketing could never be total, but always maintained an uneasy truce with the authentic experience of the masses. I agree with this, and view social complexity science as offering a Third Way for manufacturers to deliver to consumers what they really want and need.

From this standpoint, Tooth is of great interest as a research object. It is the only UK comic to survive to the present. It is also the heir to Action, a comic famously banned for its fidelity to reader taste (however extreme). Naturally then, it is easy to assume that Tooth is extremely sensitive to its reader's views and may have organisational traits or other brand equity factors of great interest to someone with my research focus.

'looking to find a board which you thought you where intelletically of a higher level. you can spell beter then i can i must admit,most poeple here can.'

Spelling doesn't matter as long as the concepts come over clearly (yours do).

'or was it that you wanted to actaully post your honest and heart felt feeling in the first place.'

All of my posts (where authentic) and other communications are completely honest and heartfelt. I am an academic, so I naturally write and think at the level I post, it isn't pretentious persiflage. Speaking as a genuine long-term reader, I am authentically concerned at recent attempts to turn Tooth into a more liberal publication. As that recent editorial opined, Tooth is rooted in the irreverent mid-Seventies. It forms part of the mid-Seventies cultural quartet (with Star Wars, The Pistols and Trans-Europe Express) that has shaped most popular culture ever since. Liberalism is a return to the execrable Sixties, a decade I loathe and which Tooth was originally sharply defined against. I think there is too much pandering to a younger, more liberal, less libertarian readership at the moment by otherwise talented creatives like Diggle.

I am not slagging off contemporary Tooth generically - we are blessed with some of the best artists ever and there have been some great stories of late (best Slaine ever, Necronauts, Love like Blood (a massively underrated story, in my view), Button man 3 (Wagner at his best, great art,too)). Maybe I have been a bit spoiled, recently (haven't we all been over the years?) by the dazzling quality of stories/art after the cruddy Nineties. But excellence is a quality that has to be maintained and if a little acerbic criticism helps in doing that, I'm the hombre to deliver it. And if liberals think they can snatch Tooth and all it stands for from under the noses of long-time readers without a fight, they've got another thing coming. I also think many DO agree with my concerns: they are just too reticent to register their views since only liberals are allowed a voice in the present mediate climate (I am not joking here, either).

So my reason for posting has been twofold: to conduct practical research (the findings are very interesting) and to register genuine concern.

This will be my last post here, as I feel I have got my message across to all concerned and enough research material to keep me perplexed for many months.

'P.S. If youre reading this Keane, i just want to apologise for calling you a fuckin' arsehole.'

Accepted

'You certainly dont seem that nice from youre posts on this thread,'

I don't claim to be

'but its not like ive ever met you so i'll take my comments back in that respect. '

Fair enough

And seriously, i think you might want to talk to a shrink.

Of course, upper middle class, Bible thumping eccentrics like Widdecombe and Odone can present  their wildly marginalised lunacy in every media outlet available without anyone even noticing! Oh, the pleasures of media-induced false consciousness! Let me express the worries and concerns of the 50% who no longer bother to vote and I (we) are candidates for the funny farm! Priceless!

'Had you lived 150 years ago I feel you would have had your scalpel in hand.'

Sam bowed, but found he had nothing to say. He had forgotten how beautiful the lady was.

'I doubt I will post again on this thread but let me end with a quote from Rebecca West;
'I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.'

Of course, most of the arrogant, elitist, puritanical, upper-middle class Anglo-Saxon females who call themselves feminists have really got their finger on the pulse of the badly paid, uneducated women who scrub their floors and nurse their children. Hey - the cushily-tenured Greer really has a hotline to charladies and women trapped in junior white collar tedium! Oh, the irony!

On a more serious note, what do you think of those who claim that Anglo Saxon feminism is little more than absurdly marginalised, upper middle class puritanism disguised as something revolutionary/radical?

BEST... RESPONSE... EVAH.

Yeah, Oscar Wilde is really looking to his laurels.

--Grant

Some reference to student status?

P.S. What level of the canopy do you live in?

Even Keane, fearsome intellectual warrior that he is, has to yield before the spoons. A spoon conflated with a bottle! Ahhhhhh!

Can we all just get out of this now, before we start having arguments over whether there was a Jewish holocaust or not?

There wouldn't be any argument from me. It happened. Those who responsible should have been severely punished. Period.

typified by sharing the philosophy of someone who killed 14 women.

I don't share his philosophy. I don't agree with what he did. I agree with two sentences he wrote in his diary.

As is the case with that other five letter miscreant

I'm no five letter miscreant, punkrod.

When you reply to everyone, Keane, it is with an air of, as you like to think 'superiority'.

Projecting again? Plus, it isn't difficult here.

He has read the same books as you have,

I am honestly impressed by that.

and is able to piss on all you deliberitly obscure refrences, because he recognises them.

No, he wilts before them. Or misunderstands them. For example, the Bell Curve is not a White Power text at all - it argues that East Asians and Jews are actually more intelligent than whites.

This obviouslt annoys you, because this is when you resort to personal attacks on him. How sad.

Just going with the flow, as someone wrote. Oh, it was you.

But, you are a twat.

'The instant the blade tore open his flesh, the white disc of the sun rose and exploded behind his eyelids.'

How about it, Dud?

And most violence against men is propagated by men, a statistic I notice you chose to ignore.


That's makes it alright, then?

A wolf among the sheep! Wonderful!

OK Keane lets look at your stance from a right wing libertarian point of view rather than the liberal dynamic you so quickly dismiss; in suggesting that creators have no right to interact with their audience you are advocating censorship in a way which is fundamentaly anti-libertarian.

Not so.

In targeting ethnic minorities and immigrants

Now hold on a minute, there sport. I wasn't 'targeting ethnic minorities' - I said they were over-represented (and represented in a false, sycophantic manner) in the liberal media (which they are). Nothing more. Asylum seekers are another case altogether. Most aren't even economic migrants - they are crime/benefits migrants. A different animal altogether. I have nothing against authentic Asylum seekers.

you are specifically discounting the contribution of many of the finest minds in the conservative movement both past and present, the Jewish influence and contribution on both Neo-conservatism

I have great admiration for thinkers like Milton Friedman and, though this might surprise you, am of Jewish descent myself.

and the history of the British Empire is massive, in terms of sacrafice for a Greater Britain and what was then seen as British ideals the Indian troops who fought in World War One and Two contributed massively to the freedom we enjoy today,

Freedoms like the right of women to butcher every fifth child conceived as a political fashion statement? The rights of fathers to have their children taken from them? Anglo Saxon societies have freedoms, yes: a pity they all seem to be on the side of crime migrants, women, etc....

the officer class generated in the sub-continent still upholds many of the ideals of duty sadly missing in the UK today, and certainly missing from your bizzare assertions.

My assertions, if bizarre, are those of the VAST majority of people in this country - as I think you are bright enough to know.

There are problems inherent in multi-culturalism

You said that, not me!

but you seem determined to criticise any attempts to overcome them,

No. There are a few solutions. One would be actively encouraging immigrants to conform to the British way of life as much as possible. Another way to defuse the BNP problem is to ensure that the white middle class bear some of the brunt for multiculturalism - not just poor whites all the time. Between you and me, this is the crux of the problem. Poor whites have, since immigration began, been asked - without resources, counselling or funds - to engage alone in the multicultural experiment. The load needs to be distributed more fairly. If upper middle class white liberals like Asylum seekers so much, they shouldn't be running Asylum Centres out of their leafy commuter villages (a la Toyah Wilcox).

one of the things I find most unpleasant about Islam is the treatment in some -by no means all- parts of it of women, surely as a libertarian a strong Islamic roll model for women is a good thing?

Listen! This guy's more right wing than me! Invective, please!

In short volkish-nationalism, which is what your postings most resemble,

First I've heard of it. That is how others have (wrongly) perceived it.

died in the 40s for a specific reason: it is fundamentally nihlistic and intellectually bankrupt.

I agree with that. That's why did not like Diggle's conflation of libertarianism (I am a Libertarian Anarcho Capitalist) with Nazism. They'd probably persecute ME, for God's sake, man.

I plough a fairly lonely furrow here in being comparetively right wing, the psuedo-intellectual pants

I hope I have cleared that up.

with which you have bombarded this thread has helped to remind me why some people will always be scared of the right, no matter how well meaning.

Maybe they're just scared of the truth?

Hmmm, your link was an existential revelation. Women are always victims! My my...

Actually:

1. 70% of murder victims are male. Didn't mention that, did they?
2. Male health provision would bankrupt most Western societies (those with public healthcare) if brought if brought into line with that of females
3. For proof that females are given extensively advantaged treatment before the law (and the media), just recall the case of Louise Woodward (maybe you could even helpfully provide us with a link?)

For Chapter, Verse and footnotes, check out Warren Farrell's Myth of Male Power. Case closed.

"do I detect a note of envy? "

i very much doubt it

Maybe it's me, but intellectual superiority seems a sore point with you. Also, 'I' in lower case denotes episodic depersonalisation.

"Twat. "

this is an example of your mastery the written word? outstanding, your a genius

Er, no, homes, it wasn't my post. And your elliptical phrasing would be the envy of any poet.

Oh yeah, that old tactic. "Them liberals, they always side with the oppressed and marginalised and hard-done-by -

Yup - like when they sided with bright, poor children by closing down Grammar Schools, consigning a generation to exlusion and poverty? Or are you thinking about when our liberal chums pulled all their own kids out of State education to make the UK the most educationally unequal society in Western Europe? You tell me. Duh...

lets pretend that right-wing hate-mongers are oppressed and marginalised and hard-done-by, that'll confuse 'em." It's depressing how often that actually works, too.

So the white working class in Oldham or Burnley aren't 'oppressed and marginalised and hard-done-by' then? Have you ever been there? And how are the 'no-go areas for whites' in your own (no doubt) salubrious district getting on?

And do they not have the right to defend their left wing dribblings?

You said it! I knew there were normal people here... But like meaning in Kant, they take time (and effort) to extricate from the left-liberal swamp of pseudo-consensus.

shit, I'm falling for it...

Not difficult, homes. The blinding light of conceptual integrity backs all intellectual currency.

By your own admission you read the comic,

Not any more

I suspect your over the age of 16. By most peoples reckoning thats pretty sad....

You can talk

I seem to remember Hack being used.

Not by me, homes. Not recently, anyway. Projecting again?

How was today's prog by the way? I HAVE kept to my promise and not bought tooth for 3 weeks. Cold Turkey! Dr Tony Lake says folks should focus on what they have in common. Do you think Ezquerra's the best artist of all time? I would say it's a toss up between him, Fabry and that new guy who draws Slaine. He uses computers in a really original way - never being swamped by the myriad possibilities immanent in the equipment - unlike so many others.