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And another day of "heated debate" begins......

Also, anyone can dredge up anything that I've written online since I discovered the Internet, you may find me rambling about a film or comic, but you won't find me making jokes or passing comment on such sensitive and inappropriate issues.

My children are taught this at school.....don't put things on the Internet that may well destroy your career prospects..

It's a business decision.....Disney don't want to be associated with the subject matter, they cut him loose. Harsh, but hardly surprising.

He was working for Disney, the home of family and child entertainment......

No, he wasn't - if that was the case, he'd deserve no sympathy at all, and Disney would be well rid of him.

His (stupid, unfunny) tweets date from the period he was working for Troma etc, back before 2012, when he was actively trying to for as crude a sense of humour as possible.  He has sincerely apologised for his online persona back then, and expressed regret on numerous occasions.  Disney was fully aware of all this taking him on, and there's been no repeat behaviour since he started making kids movies.

In short, he made stupid jokes in the past, he's trying - and by all accounts succeeding - at being better.

His mistake was criticising Trump and his online shitheel pals.

To clarify "he was working for Disney", I'm referring to his recent sacking, not his employment at the time of the tweet.

As for Gunn....a little common sense was required there I think.

I work in a College, my wife an infant school. If either of us decided to tweet in our free time the sort of things Gunn was tweeting*, we would rapidly be unemployed.

He was working for Disney, the home of family and child entertainment......

* I haven't read the tweets.....so I'm commenting based on the reports that I heard regarding their content.  I have read the majority of the Lucasfilm tweets, including Johnson's and they are incredibly badly judged.

I think I'm generally relieved. It may now stop Lucasfilm from seemingly wanting to constantly pour fuel on to the fire.

Do you think that Disney have stepped in post "Gunn"?

Tweets from a broad range of Lucasfilm management and creatives inferring that if you don't like "new" Star Wars that you can either be labelled as a man baby, a misogynist, a racist, a sexist etc have not exactly been endearing to huge portions of it's "custoners". It's also given more and more ammunition to the you tube ranters.

I know that these tweets were intended to be directed at a very select group of people, but unfortunately they don't always read that way.

Insulting your customers on a very regular basis isn't the best of business decisions. I have to wonder if Disney finally woke up to it as Lucasfilm have been uncharacteristically quiet for a month or so, especially Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson.

I quite enjoyed Luke's character in TLJ, but have given up trying to convince anyone else of that. As soon as I report my feelings on the film to someone new, they immediately go on a tirade about Luke as if there's nothing else I could possibly dislike!

Personally, I have no tirade to hurl at anyone, I'm merely expressing an opinion and partaking in a discussion on the Last Jedi in a thread about "The Last Jedi". I thought that was the whole point?

I'm not sure how you read that as being directed at you, but I assure you it wasn't.

Sorry sir, I may have been overly touchy there based on the fact that I was offering the opposite opinion in my reading of Luke's character.

.....and I can well accept that it's been a looooong time for the character - I've lived it! I was 10 when I first saw Return of the Jedi, I was 44 when I saw The Last Jedi, believe me, I know that time has passed.

Other than seeing potential darkness in Kylo, did I miss the detailed description of everything that had happened to Luke in the 30 years that jaded him so? What was fully detailed and explained in the film? If it was all in the film, we wouldn't be having the debate. I saw it twice.....it's not all explained in the film beyond him reacting to the fate he saw for Kylo.

And as argued at length, I DON'T think it's consistent. That's  exactly my opinion, I think it's inconsistent.


Anyway......the more I try to get out, the more they suck me back in. Lunch time 

Why does anyone expressing an opposing view to others get levelled with "confused" or "overly simplistic (mis)reading" allegations?

Guys, could you be any more patronising and condescending?

I am neither. You just have a different opinion. I can accept that, can we play nice?

I quite enjoyed Luke's character in TLJ, but have given up trying to convince anyone else of that. As soon as I report my feelings on the film to someone new, they immediately go on a tirade about Luke as if there's nothing else I could possibly dislike!

Personally, I have no tirade to hurl at anyone, I'm merely expressing an opinion and partaking in a discussion on the Last Jedi in a thread about "The Last Jedi". I thought that was the whole point?

I would say again, if you like it, great, I'm pleased that some people do. Genuinely. I'd rather it had a happy audience than no audience.  I'm just  not one of them.

If nothing else, I guess this debate only serves to show the opposing views of Star wars fans everywhere right now.

I completely understand your arguments, and I can appreciate that it works - for you, but I respectfully wholesale disagree with them. It's just not Luke Skywalker. 

People can level the odd argument of "that's the interpretation of the character that you've constructed in your head"....well of course it is, based on 40 years of my experience with him. Just the same as everyone else!

Some find the direction it took exciting and interesting, I didn't. The fact that it's caused so much debate and polarisation could be seen as an indicator that something is off, many obviously share the same sentiments.

And they aren't all the same idiots posting hate videos on YouTube.

Hopefully episode 9 restores balance.  Let me know when you see it! 

I'm bowing out now as, like new Star wars, I'm endlessly repeating myself. Think I've covered my thoughts pretty extensively. I'll let someone else have a go.

Luke is also aware sensing the future is not entirely reliable. The difference between witnessing the destruction of everything and lashing out, ultimately displaying self control and self sacrifice, and acting on a feeling, that may or may not happen, leading to  considering premeditated cold blooded murder of your nephew seem poles apart to me.

Anyway, arguing interpretations and points of view seems fairly non-constructive. I don't see Luke Skywalker in that film, others do. Fair enough!

No confusion whatsoever, though I can understand that peoples interpretations will differ. He does snap in jedi and attacks his father when provoked, but he stops short on his own volition.....the amount of provocation luke has had at this point is fairly extreme as he's actually physically witnessing the destruction of the rebellion, the death of all his friends and is then threatened with the corruption of his sister.....and he still ultimately controls himself and takes the noble path.

I'm not sure if that level of provocation draws a parallel with luke actively going to Kylo's bedside and considering his murder in a moment of weakness because of what he "senses" in Kylo.  It's just not equivalent threat.

This also doesn't go on to justify lukes subsequent protracted behaviour and the disregarding of his family, friends and the fate of the galaxy.

It's fair to say......it's not for me.

I'm sure that the film must appeal to those who can reconcile such a quantum shift in a character who was inherently the personification of all that is good and noble, becoming something pathetic and cowardly. It grates on me, and it's a step too far for me to extract any enjoyment from the film.

Right.....I really must go and find something more worthwhile to do with my life! 

I don't need a big lightsaber duel, I don't need over the top fan service wankery.....just a believable interpretation of an old character. Hans character progression I could understand, didn't particularly like it, but I can understand it. Lukes......it didn't appear to be the same character, just the same actor doing distinctly out of character things.