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Not from my research.

Working class - I'm a civil servant.

Haven't you guessed? I'm a binman.

lol - just kidding, I'm a Customs Officer.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if you were right for that job, Logan...

What?? lol!

That's a bit outrageous, mind!

What is it, then?

Whatever it is, I think you'll find the work of a carpet cleaner is a lot harder.

:o)

My goodness, what on earth are you on about? Who are you on about?

There is obviously a misunderstanding here... but I suppose it goes some way to explain your reactions if you are harbouring suspicious grievances with someone else.

Hey, no problem - I can let that slide - but just to stick with the point, those are a lot of quotes but only one sort of explains you are/were a binman before your post asking how many times you need to say it different ways [that you may have done various other `working class` jobs was never an issue].

I would say just because I can take some issue with the assumption of a binman's work effort, does not mean liability to comment on remarks made about other "types". Why would it? Nothing personal.

Your sweeping statement covers work from artists ending up a lot harder than work from binmen - suggesting people who empty bins all day do not need to expend as much effort as a person who draws all day. Some binmen work very hard, some artists are very lazy - and vice-versa - so if we take individuality away [as you have done with categorisation] then we are left with a glaringly bold point that one job is harder than the other.

Like I said before, if you have had a job emptying the rubbish of the public all day [I must have missed where you made this abundantly clear] then you may be able to justify saying art is a lot harder for you from your own experiences.

Of course, this is down to how the individual approaches his work, and some jobs may be harder for different people to perform. A binman may find drawing more [physically?] challenging than emptying bins, and an artist may find emptying bins more [mentally?] challenging than drawing.

If I said I think you'll find that nurses end up working a lot harder than telephone engineers for example, you should see my point.

"In fact where the hell did all that bollox assumption come from in the first place?"

"I think you'll find that most 'bohemian/arty types' end up working a lot harder and earning lots less than a binman"

Nobody was on about betterness or classiness of work, just effort put into doing a job.

It's a sweeping statement liable to offend people who empty bins all day for living, and although this has since been explained away as a metaphorical comparison that does not mean the sentiment has not come from somewhere to make the point of contrast between the types.

A lot of bohemian/arty types are understandably offended when told their work is not exactly work at all, but it should not be an excuse to state findings that creating art is a lot harder than, say, emptying bins.

Wages are a different issue, and should not have a bearing on opinions of the daily effort put in.

The bourgeois values are self-imposed - they are simply evident to the casual observer; the observer who may note that the sweeping comparison of two trades (one mentally involving, the other physical-based) and finding of one being a lot harder than the other is misguided, and through its nature reeks of pomp.

I am not a binman, but am quite sure no binman would agree the work of an artist is a lot harder than his own - which is what you stated.

I do not understand your last paragraph.

Parting shots?

Contradicting how?

Pompous and misguided in that such a bold statement declaring certain types of people work harder than others, when you occupy the former group, is unreasonably thought out.

If you are also or have ever worked as a binman you may be informed enough to justify this comparison, and perhaps binmen who are also bohemian/arty types might agree that creating art is "harder" than emptying bins.

Like I said earlier, middle class is an attitude defined by bourgeois values - probably including classing oneself a harder worker than those in a less mentally taxing environment.

I don't think middle-class has much to do with texture/density of toilet roll, but plenty to do with attitude.

That is to say, it is really only the middle class who decide they are middle class.

They are not rich enough to be upper class, and wish to distance themselves from the working class for snooty reasons.

Bohemian/arty types working a lot harder than binmen? They certainly do not work physically harder. Mentally then? Creatively? Duh.

To compare the work of an artist and a binman and find that the artist "works harder" is rather pompous and misguided - in fact, something of a middle class attitude.

Come on now, he's not that bad.

Not bad.

Mine are better, though.