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Well, I was attempting to inject a little humour into the conversation as it happens- in order to attempt to diffuse any ill feeling.

Then I apologise unreservedly for snapping at you. There are some people on this forum —not you, I should stress— who persistently misrepresent pretty much anything I say to the extent where it feels a lot like trolling and I may be a little oversensitive on that score.

Cheers

Jim

No problem. Tis teh internet.

I don't think "no solution, eh? Oh well, fuck you, despite you being the most affected by it. It's nothing to me, I'm off for my bird inside a bird inside a bird with duck pate horses duvet" is in any way progressive.

Wow. What a confrontational little prick you can be. I've been dirt fucking poor for several extended periods of my life and you can stuff your assumptions up your arse.

Well, I was attempting to inject a little humour into the conversation as it happens- in order to attempt to diffuse any ill feeling.
It most certainly was not an attack on you personally, or a supposition that you are currently the 'rich man' in question- given the scenario that you 'had the power' to bring in the draconian laws, etc; you would then be the 'rich man' in the example- that's all. Just because I don't agree with your opinion fully on this matter, does not mean I'm out to confront you personally.

The fix I offer is to look for a better solution than the one you proposed, it may well be that it turns out to be you who comes up with one which I do support; because it isn't personal.

What I'm bringing is a different perspective on your proposed solution to your own- entirely necessary in any debate (even 'what if' musings like this one).

'Having a solution' is not the only positive that can be brought to the table, particularly if any critique could be shown to have a broad base of support (which I presume a broad base of meat-eating poor suddenly being forced to be veggie because some well-off guy says 'its for the best' would do).
I don't think "no solution, eh? Oh well, fuck you, despite you being the most affected by it. It's nothing to me, I'm off for my bird inside a bird inside a bird with duck pate horses duvet" is in any way progressive.

As you rightly said- our food choices are divided by our economics anyway, this is another expression of the inequalities in society created by the gap between rich and poor. I simply do not buy into the idea that increasing that gap will create a better society. Better for who?

I don't offer any proposal- I merely point out the shortcomings in your proposal, that's the nature of discussions.

so I see no downside to treating animals humanely and paying substantially more for meat.

I can- meat will only be for the privileged in society once more.
I agree with pretty much all of what you're saying, just not the whole 'make meat more expensive' bit. I don't see how further dividing society based on wealth, creating an even bigger gap between rich and poor, is in any way progressive. Presumably, under this new price regime, you'd still be able to afford some meat when the urge took; but what about those not so well off? Hardly a good base for a just society, IMO.

Mine's in today too

Yeah I was shitting it last year over tickets, AND the year before. Got an email from them to say..
"Thank you so much for your order!

Your tickets to Glasgow Comic Con 2015 will be shipped out from the 1st of June."

so... someday soon.

There have been some people with 'bulc' or 'bolc' attached to their name as well- a Morcant Bulc from Welsh literature about the 'Old North' and a Muredach Bolc in the Senchus Fer nAlban, no-ones really sure what it means. 'Bag' could signify actual bags, or bellows or even trousers (in the Gaulish style). IIRC Roman writers described the Britons as being basically the same as the Gauls, though a little more archaic; Tacitus also says that the Caledonians were no different from the Britons- this would imply that, for the most part the inhabitants of mainland Britain were linguistically and culturally similar to the Gauls- ie Brythonic, hence trouser wearing could be expected, at least with some.

The Firbolgs were supposedly an earlier 'race' inhabiting Ireland, according to the Gael, and had two main divisions- the Fir Domainn (supposedly dark-haired and swarthier in complexion- CuChulain's mate Ferdiad was  a Fir Domnainn) and the Galeóin (somehow connected with spears, sometimes equated with the Laigin). It was thought that there was a connection with the Dumnonii of Cornwall and Devon and the Fir Domnainn- implying that Ireland was first inhabited, in places at least, by Brythonic speakers before the Gael came in. This idea really isn't popular with some people.

I recall reading somewhere that the Dumnonii were big on mining tin (IIRC) and they used a process of digging pits. The conjecture was that they would put any goodies found into bags to carry away with them, all the while guarded by groups of spearmen; this gives us two groups of people- spearmen and bagmen. I have no idea why anyone would ascribe a tribal grouping based on occupation- it's all too neat and sounds a bit 'pishful thinking'- unless there was some sort of inter-tribal caste system in operation, which I suppose is not unlikely in a tribal people- "You see in this world there's two kinds of people- those with big spears and those who dig...".

The idea of bags being trousers is interesting though- when the Gael went to Ireland there were people there who spoke funny and wore trousers; so they waged war on those trouser-clad, spear waving, foreign homosexuals and made up shit about them being ogres and dip-shits. Epic Duan Mor right there.

On the differences between Scots and Irish Gaelic- there's an element of Brythonic language in Scots gaelic not really present in Irish. These words are closer to old Welsh or Cumbric or a reconstructed Pictish than Gaelic and are also attested to in place names. On top of that, both are derived from middle-Irish and developed separately into their modern forms. It's pointless thinking in terms of 'Scottish' and 'Irish' concerning these peoples- these are relatively modern concepts which were meaningless to them.

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T.S....
the whole subject is a horribly complex thing full of many unanswered/ unanswerable questions. Questions like... "who or what were the Firbolgs?"- possibly Belgic Gauls, possibly men with trousers, possibly men with bags- maybe for collecting... something, possibly poetic invention"

Historians, archaeologists and linguists from all over Europe (and likely beyond now too) have been studying this stuff for over a century now and it's all still a bit woolly.

There's a transaltion of the Duan Eireannach and Duan Albanach here.
Scroll on down the left-hand menu til you get to the 'postscript' link, click that, then scroll down the right-hand window and both are at the end there. Not that it will help, but it's interesting.

It pretty terrifying- who defines 'extremist'?

Ahh... wait... that'll be the tories, won't it?
We're way closer to fascism than I thought.

I'm not quite sure who you're talking about there.  Who are the 'Scotch'?  Scotch is a drink.  And eggs.  And broth.  And tape. 

And mist.
But definitely not 'people'.

Renfrew street running along parallel and just behind the venue has a few B&B's.
The ones I've been in are pretty minimal, but clean which is fine when you're not actually planning on being there very much.
Not as cheap this year as I was last, but that could be a reflection of my procrastination as much as anything else.

Huff- d'ye ken whether the inestimable Dode C shall be in attendance?

I should make it- just need to buy tickets, book a megabus and some cheap-ersed room with minimal  facilities to kip in. I think Mrs Deever is being a homebody this time aroond so I won't have a massive bag full of useless shite to haul about, which is great.

That's no way to talk about your better half!

erm... aye , well... see now, I never meant it like that, honest (still funny though).

My better half is waaaay better than me, I but bask in her radiance. Tall, but not 'massive', and definitely not useless- it was her bank card that paid for it all!
She does, however, possess the Achilles heel of over-packing with 'just in case' items.