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Ha! Ha!
It just gets more and more interesting!

Make the articles less like a bad lads mag and get people who can actually write good humorous, piss-taking articles and clever, irreverent features.

Yes, agreed.

just because Clint works out cheaper or more for your money that doesnt by default make it better than 2000ad

Nobody at all has said that it is.
Garageman said that 5 stories for 2.25 was better value than 4 for 3.99, but these figures are misleading- Clint is cheaper per page of strip, it has 71 pages of strip FFS! As Faplad says, if you like the strips it's a bargain- there just isn't any denying it. No one is saying that 2000ad isn't value for money- we all buy it so we all think that (to a greater or lesser extent) it is.

everyone has the right to discern what they read and wether that is a good or bad thing is not really for someone else to comment on

If they post it on a public forum it is. No one is trying to take anyone's right to post whatever they want away- and I'm perfectly entitled to think and post that any publicly offered opinion is stupid or shortsighted, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of it. I could choose to be diplomatic but I'm not obliged to, and you don't have to agree.

Sure Millar made a cheap jibe to rile up 2000ad fans- does that surprise you? His name is synonymous with many things round here, few of them good. I'm sure he's well aware of both that and the interest in Clint on this board- all he needs do is make a couple of tongue in cheek remarks and sit back and laugh at people gurning about it- who could resist?
Not me.

Arguing for more comic related articles is folly- Millar is quite deliberately avoiding that, as has been pointed out ad infinitum by Millar and a few others round here. The Megazine is the mag you're looking for!
It has articles on comics related stuff- if they'd get rid of the film reviews, they'd even fit more in (maybe some of those article ideas that PJ was suggesting a while back). If they also trimmed off the floppy and postcard they could take the price down closer to Clint and compete on strip quality.

As someone else says- it doesn't have to be either/ or, I'd like to see some degree of mutual aid as both stand to gain if the venture succeeds at all- maybe a free full page add swap. Tharg would then have an excuse not to print any of those awful, obsequious letters from Mssrs. Watson and Proudfoot ( ) for one week, and Clint would have one less page of shite filler articles!
I'm also hoping to see some 2000ad droids getting a CLINTing at some point in the future.

CLINT: £3.99 divided by 71 pages of strip equals just over 5p a page.
2000ad: £2.25 divided by 28 pages of strip equals a little over 8p a page.

I'm shit at numbers, but even I can see which is cheaper, even without the filler rubbish.
(Not that there's much in it, but we're as well to stick to the facts where they exist)
I still assert that it is far better value than the Megazine.

I sent a couple of CD's by Airmail to São Paulo, and they told me it could still take up to 6 weeks to get there.
'The destination' is a lot closer than Brazil, but it could possibly still take a while. They may have sent it by some sort of courier which would be faster but a bit more expensive- wouldn't have a clue how much.
All conjecture, I know nothing.

And, to be fair, it was an open invitation (via a post at the beginning of this thread) to anyone who was interested to take part...

His costume looks a bit rubbish.

Yeah, I got lost around there too- there's a change in the style of the colouring as well- I'm undecided as to whether it's a bit of confidence or [spoiler]if it is deliberate, representing the change in his conciousness from the implant wearing off.[/spoiler]. I know about the security guard bit, but I have no idea who or what Rex Royd is. [spoiler]He may or may not work as a Superhero killer.[/spoiler] I suspect we might find out as we go along. I felt what was trying to come across was [spoiler]the sort of fractured mind effect of both the drugs and the false identity wearing off.[/spoiler]
But, I might be wrong and maybe it's just not very good. Time will tell, but I'm certainly interested in knowing a bit more before I make any kind of call on it.

I guess it's really trying to be the Deadline for it's day.

And yet, I thought Deadline was one of the biggest piles of puerile, amateurish crap I'd ever set eyes on. A real lot of  art that was even below fanzine quality and turgid uninteresting stories with dull half-baked characters. Truly it stank.
IMO Clint shits all over Deadline, without breaking a sweat, on the strength of the strip alone- because Deadline sucked balls in an embarrassingly large way. I'd hazard a guess that's why, ultimately, it failed and vanished up it's own wanky arse.

Similarly 2k (for us) is going shit all over Clint without breaking a sweat.

The Meg, however, is a different kettle of fish at the moment, I think I'd rather pay 3.99 for Clint and not read the rubbish articles than 5.99 for the Meg and not read the stupid damned film reviews and the endless sea of rubbish that has been the floppy for countless months (which you are being forced to buy if you want the Meg, a shitty corporate-style money making tactic made even less palatable by the erroneous claim of being 'free').

There used to be such a thing as casual comic readers. They didn't fuss over continuity, reboots and how many links were in Dredd's chain. They didn't care (or even notice) who was on scripting duties, nor feel placed to rip stories and art apart in scathing critiques. These people wouldn't have seen themselves as 'comic book geeks', they just happened to read a comic (as well as fixing cars and playing fitba). IMO, geeks like all of us have helped scare these people away from comics (as well as the stereotyping of geeks like us).

Millar is obviously aiming Clint at trying to get people like that back into the fold, so comic geeks complaining about 'fanzine quality script', 'too much exposition' (as if they could do better themselves) and lack of comic based articles is totally irrelevant and misses the point of Clint entirely.

Of course it's not perfect (neither is 2000ad), the articles are rank and tedious, but they are no worse than those damned film reviews that have blighted the Megazine for bloody ages now. It's not as good as 2k- nowhere near, but it could hammer some nails into a coffin for the Meg, which always appears to be struggling (Not really sure if it is or not). Sticking in a cheap postcard 'free' gift and whacking another quid onto the price is hardly the epitome of a healthy mag. In view of this latest hike and given the current financial climate, there may be a few who have to decide between the Meg and Clint. The Meg needs to shape up and trim the fat sharpish, or it might lose some readership to the NKOTB.

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Not for you? Fine- that's fairenough, don't buy it- no ones going to be expected to stump up every month for something they don't want (Meg readers excepted viz. the floppy) and kudos for at least sampling it, but to pour scorn on a project which could help revitalise the UK comics industry (even in a small way) and possibly even draw some more lapsed readers back to 2k is a nonsense.

It makes me laugh that Frankie Boyle (in particular)and Jonathan Ross may end up being more significant figures in UK comics history than us pontificating, self-appointed comic 'experts' could ever hope to achieve; despite the fact that some of the same 'experts' are rubbishing his work as amateurish (after just one fucking episode of comic strip!!!!) and looking down their noses at Clint as if it is beneath their superior intellects. I love that kind of thing- it's like poetic justice, folks.
Give the guy the same chance you would like to be given yourself should the situation arrive. Like it or not, anything else smacks of petty jealousy and almost willing the guy to fail, though I can accept that it may not be. Remember, Frankie Boyle isn't just a 'celebrity creator', he's also 'new talent'.
Such an attitude would be utterly moronic and in 20 years time you'll still be sitting around moaning about the state of UK Comics whilst personally doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to change it (whilst buying plenty US comics) and indeed sabotaging anyone else who tries. Stupid, short-sighted and selfish.
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I realise this might seem a bit of a vehement pot-shot, but it has been extensively edited to tone it down, so if anyone finds it offensive, then maybe the cap fits all too well.

Warren can of course lay claim to a modest entry on the Beast of Letters...

WARREN ELLIS THUNDERSLEY PROG 207 ENGLAND 1981
WARREN ELLIS BENFLEET    PROG 220 ENGLAND 1981(PROFILE)
WARREN ELLIS ESSEX    PROG 282 ENGLAND 1982

The Beast lives!

I've got one!

If its going to be "lad mag-esque" I would take pictures of boobs over articles about Manson and being stoned mind you, but that's just me.

No, it isn't just you- I'm with you on that! If you're going for lad-ish, there's no point in doing it half-ersed, as well hung for a sheep as a lamb etc. Should have stuck some car pictures and maybe a humorous feature poking fun at blokes with handbags...

I recall both Pieromania and Gator fondly

I liked that American Footballish story- can't remember what it was called and I haven't read it in ages, IIRC it had Dekker as Dredd's rookie in it (maybe).

I quite liked Raymond's Dredd. His gallery from that link has some nice watercolours, Jim. There's a real freshness and sensitivity to them.

Disraeli's art.

Now I'm not disputing the man's genius- he's a thinking artist, an experimenter and a boundary-pusher; all very laudable traits.
I just don't like what he does with it.

sob