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Starter is up for pre-order on Warlord's site now. Looks a bit underwhelming compared to the SD starter - but I very luch like that they include rules for using Johnny & Wolf straight away. And the deluxe version of the rulebook is gorgeous!

As you know, the realistic compromise for any two opposed viewpoints should be somewhere on the middle. So it follows that we should make the Threadjacking thread 50% deliberately distracting posts irrelevant to any ongoing discussion, and 50% completely on-topic, that is to say, deliberately distracting posts irrelevant to any ongoing discussion,

It's the only way to honour the wishes of Proudhuff, who spent literally seconds thinking abour the implications of creating this thread some years ago.

I mean, yes, intellectually that's true, but it's just another "who pumps the Batmobile's tyres" moment — in the context of a shared-universe pulp character, it's just wank.

Oh brother that is awful. The term 'sophmoric' was never so apt.

To the Politics thread with the lot of 'em. I'm all for freedom of expression, but there's a time and a place for threadjacking and the Threadjacking thread ain't it.

You people are just determined to let the terrorists win.

After 4pm, I believe. Although Warlord's communication is atrocious.

Truly outstanding. When you get to the body, I believe Lego do an acceptably-scaled Alan (although you're on your own for the eyepatch...).

At the moment, I reckon being holier than thou gives me a free pass on some of the others.

I know you're kidding, but this really is the point. I was a veggie for many years in my teens and 20s, so I haven't had much of a problem shifting my share of family cooking over to meatfree and am increasing the proportion of vegan meals (although I find that harder- cheese is my life). So yeah, that one thing can be done: it's the prospect of everything else and all at the same time I find hard to contemplate, and harde4 to believe a significant proportion of people will do it.

I've stopped all flying the past few years, but both my brothers and their families use planes like buses. I've never travelled long-haul bar one trip to NY, although I'd always planned to, and now I never will. If my Ozzer brother was to do likewise, which he should, I'd never see my niece and nephew again.

That, and no cheese!  Add the prospect of giving up owning dogs and cats and fucking hell.

That's it in a nutshell. Some days I think we'll change, most days I don't, but I don't believe we'll do it fast enough. For there to be no meat or dairy, no airplane commutes, no cheap internationally shipped plastic crap, no foreign holidays or even weekend drives to the beach or the hills... all at the same time, and while extreme weather events accelerate, sea levels rise, wildlife dies off and climate-driven wars and refugees increase. It seems too much, too fast.

Very much the latter, I'm afraid - there's glue involved too.  Although there are a lot of folk out there who'll paint'em first cash.

That's about my thoughts too. To be clear I'm not condoning the tube disruption either, it muddies the waters badly. Public transport = good. But equally I don't believe anything significant can be achieved without pissing off an awful lot of ordinary people a great deal.

Logical, factual argument and polite consensus-building has failed - not 'is failing' but 'has failed'. If the reality of climate collapse isn't enough, then the threat of endless disruptive protest needs to add to it. Rest assured, once the pain of any real mitigation measures starts there'll be plenty on the streets protesting that instead.

Appalling.

Poor optics indeed, but my issue is with people posting blatant untruths about their own behaviour. These people take the tube because it's practical, just as they always have, not because they have suddenly developed a strong environmental commitment to public transport that is now undermined by XR.

Ditto the near-90% of vox poppers who only ever venture into theffect city centre for job interviews and to visit sick/elderly relatives.

I'm also increasingly baffled by the 'individual action can't do anything about climate change, don't blame the people  it's the system' running seamlessly into 'large-scale co-ordinated group action shouldn't cause disruption that affects society'. Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for manoeuvre, and is a response familiar to anyone who's ever been in a union: employers would always rather have problems solved by 'a civilised chat between colleagues' than deal with militancy. It's amazing how frequently those 'chats' become urgent once your business is being disrupted, when before they were dismissed out of hand.

XR frequently screws up, its manifesto is full of holes, its arrest-focused approach to civil disobedience exclusionary, but it has focused attention on the crisis like nothing else before. In order to win hearts and minds, and thus direct vote-whoring behaviour and corporate policy, you first have to be visible and present in public discourse. First and foremost disruptive protest makes addressing your cause one possible solution, instead of something that can be dismissed and ignored.

The number of tweets I've seen claiming that "I only use the Tube because of climate change, and now this...".

Yes, XR disrupting public transport is a bit of a mixed mesage, but seriously, you were driving into central London every day until you saw Greta on YouTube and noticed the 150-year-old alternative...? You do know you're writing these things down on a permanent public global forum, yeh?

Two pages that have always said "getting pretty fecked off with this big battle shit now" to me. It's a pretty dramatic shift from the preceding pages.