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#8941
Off Topic / Re: STEORN "FREE ENERGY" MACHINE
24 January, 2010, 04:28:10 PM
Well, I've just wasted an hour of my life watching this charlatan/deluded idiot (can't decide which) and trawling through numerous science, business and engineering web sites.

Conclusion: The laws of physics - 1 : Energy from nowhere - 0

I'm no electrical engineer, so I can't pull apart all his flim-flam on those videos, but some bits made even me go "HUH?" - eg, he attempts to "prove" that there are no hidden energy inputs by filming the device with a thermal camera because: "everything that has electricity in it will show heat". I've heard better patter from stage magicians.

I could spend hours transcribing the many many ways that competent and qualified people have demolished this crap, but I'll restrict myself to just a few points.

1. Their own invited of jury of scientific experts spent 2 years analysing the device and the data and came to the conclusion that it doesn't work:
"In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist  announcing the development of  "a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy". Qualified experts were sought to form a "jury" to validate these claims.
      Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work.
     The jury consists of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from industry, universities and government laboratories."


2. Many people have tried to replicate the motor, but nobody has succeeded. This is a defining part of the notion of scientific proof - it only demonstrates something if it can be replicated.

3. IT'S GOT A FUCKING BATTERY IN IT! Conversely it has no meters showing power in or power out, and we're asked to take it on trust that the battery is being constantly recharged by the surplus energy.

4. It all seems arse about face: He says on the video that they are not a scientific research institute but a "propellerhead company" (he deserves shooting for that goddawful jargon on it's own! :D); He says that the technology "has real uses", but only if other companies come along and "push it into the real world"; and that the scientists can "come along and develop theories later". So where did the idea come from, the pissing fairies?

5. From Wiki: "Eric Berger, writing on the Houston Chronicle website, commented: "Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas."

6. And here's the money shot: From ZDnet UK (a business and technology site): "The other big announcement is the Steorn Knowledge Development Base, which is a developer programme that costs €419 to join and gives its members access to information and a licence to use the technology for personal non-commercial use. In exchange, Steorn appears to get all the rights to anything developed for ever and for nothing" KA-CHING, thankewverymuch.



I sometimes wonder if the internet is decreasing the sum total of knowledge rather than increasing it. From perpetual motion, to evolution and climate change, people seem unable to differentiate between open-mindedness and slack-jawed gullibility; and everybody reckons that a bit of reading on the net makes them as qualified as someone who has degrees and years of actual experience in a given field. I really do despair that we're sliding into a dark-age of superstition and snake-oil science.
#8942
Off Topic / Re: I don't understand the appeal of...
24 January, 2010, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: House of Usher on 24 January, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
.... a quorn roast, ...

Well there you go, that's your problem right there!  :D
#8943
Prog / Re: PROG 1668 - Enemy Mine!
24 January, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
I disagree, I liked that cover. I think it was supposed to resemble a formal posed painting, rather than a dynamic comic book action moment. Check out Vzzbux's comparison soviet poster image on the first page of this thread. I think it conveys this kind of feeling rather well.
#8944
Off Topic / Re: STEORN "FREE ENERGY" MACHINE
24 January, 2010, 12:56:08 PM
Can't work, won't work.

When I saw your original post I wondered if it was some sort of strange art installation, playing on ideas of credulity and the 'tradition' of pie-in-the-sky perpetual motion devices.

It may be able to reduce friction to almost nothing, but there'll always be some. At best it will run efficiently for a long long time, but NOTHING can produce more energy bthan you put into it, simple as that.
#8945
Off Topic / Re: I don't understand the appeal of...
24 January, 2010, 12:47:49 PM
Mmmmm.I could murder a lovely Sunday roast right about now. Going to have to drag my sorry ass out to the shops or it's cornflakes and supernoodles for the rest of the day.
#8946
Off Topic / Re: Pussie Thread
23 January, 2010, 08:51:13 PM
A friend who works in mental health listened to that cat related 999 call and was absolutely horrified and outraged that this clearly unwell woman had been exposed to public humiliation in this way. Certainly made me see it in a different light, that's for sure.
#8947
Off Topic / Re: Pussie Thread
23 January, 2010, 07:48:12 PM
I think it was Winston Churchill (but he may have been quoting an old saying) who said:
"Cats look down on you; dogs look up to you; but pigs are equal". Haven't a clue what he meant by it however.

I may "admire" independence, but it's not a trait I want in a pet. Give me slavish devotion any day!
#8948
Film & TV / Re: Pat Mills on TV NOW
23 January, 2010, 07:45:21 PM
I only managed to catch about 10 minutes of the show, but when he said that he declined the invitation to go back and see the embryo/jellyfish UFOs again because interacting with them could only end badly, I had my suspicions about "Edge TV". And then when I noticed that that all four of the "previously on.." videos featured David Icke, I was convinced it was nutjob central.  But half of the links referred to 'Truth channels' and 'Truth documentaries', so if it's the truth, maybe I've misjudged them?
#8949
Don't brag TB!

Does it really cost €60 just to see a GP? What if you're ill and skint?

I'm pissed off 'cos I was supposed to be seeing that Ian Dury movie tonight, but I'm just recovering from flu and I've got a hacking cough that wouldn't go down well in a cinema, so I'm giving it a miss.
#8950
Do you think Locusts has enough for a 500 word story yet?  :)
#8951
Film & TV / Re: Pat Mills on TV NOW
22 January, 2010, 04:32:30 PM
Just clicked on the streaming link.

He's barking really, isn't he?
#8952
General / Re: Life Spugs because...
22 January, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
Holy crap SBT, that's a lot of different spugginess all at once. Look on the bright side though, if we have  a certain allocation of good events and shitty events, wouldn't you rather get all that crap out of the way in one shitty month, followed by unadulterated good times, or have at least one shitty thing happening all the time?

Really hope you can still make Hi-ex.
#8953
Prog / Re: Progs of the New Millenium
22 January, 2010, 01:06:26 AM
I really envy you having all the post 2000 progs to gorge on for the first time! After much dodginess in the 90s, I'm pleased to stay that the Galaxy's Greatest just got better and better in the new millennium. You've still got Judge Dredd:Origins to look forward to, not to mention Nikolai Dante, Sinister/Dexter, Kingdom, Zombo, Cradlegrave, the return of Bill Savage.... the list goes on and on!  
#8954
Help! / Re: Alright... I'm lost
22 January, 2010, 12:54:55 AM
Mike Gloady put together a thread for this very situation! Greatest Threads Ever. This will take you to some of the highlights.

I keep active topics as my homepage too, but if you don't check in for a day or two, you still end up with a lot of posts to look through.
Quote from: Wake on 21 January, 2010, 11:26:05 PM
I only use anything other than "View Active Topics" if I'm posting a new topic or looking for a recentish old one that has dropped off the bottom of the active list.
Anyone know how long they stay in the active list, or does it have a maximum number of pages?

The subject categories are pretty self explanatory. The "spoilers" section is the place to find reviews of progs and Megazines, both current and older; and nerdish pedantry about the number of links in Dredd's badge chain. People still sometimes use the [spoiler]spoiler tag[/spoiler] in reviews, but as the title suggests, it's assumed you don't mind having any stories revealed if you read here.

Pretty much any current film/comic/TV show/game gets talked about at some point, the geekier the better. Use the search function and narrow your search to one of the categories in the General Chat section to find what's been said and stick your own oar in.

In the off topic section are loads of cool shit. If you want to vent your spleen or exult your good fortune, stick a post on "Life spugs because..." or "life's drokkin' fantastic because..". If your feel your news isn't dramatic enough to warrant those, then try "life's sometimes sort of okay because.." or "life's full of minor impediments..."

Finally there are 'regular' themed art and short story competitions. They're sort of monthly, but we always end up wheedling extensions, so often end up longer. The results are decided by an open vote over a week. Entries range from serious professional-quality stuff to insanely amateurish masterpieces; so have a go.
#8955
Links / Re: Ultimate link thread.
21 January, 2010, 07:54:47 PM