Quote from: JPMaybe on 28 October, 2016, 04:56:34 PMQuote from: Professor Bear on 25 April, 2016, 06:52:02 PM
I dunno about nuance - seems to me the really good Klingon episodes are the ones where they're always seconds away from stabbing someone. There are episodes of DS9 where Worf is getting along great with another Klingon but you still know someone's getting kebabbed in the next 40 minutes because the wonky-foreheaded nutters can't help themselves, and I like this version of the Klingons because it's so single-mindedly one-note that it avoids the pitfalls of TNG or Voyager trying to paint them as a noble warrior culture and just making them boring.
They're just more fun when they're violent racist space cunts.
Really late reply I realise, but I fucking hate that- almost everything about TNG-onwards Klingons annoys me, and I can't really see the difference with their DS9 incarnation. TUC showed some actual maturity in how they were written- they were clearly martial and alien, but were capable of civilised conversation without yammering about honour and glory, didn't solve political disputes with knife fights. They also showed some diversity in appearance and dress, contra the stultifying uniformity in appearance (long hair, fangs, body armour) and mannerisms of mid-to-late TNG onwards. Basically I hate them being space vikings transposed in toto to a technological SF setting, regardless of how ill a fit that is.
On a macro scale, the Klingon timeline is consistent, but if you want to be cynical, you can view the problem as being what TNG did - or failed to do - with the the concepts and characters. TNG was very fond of oversimplifying alien cultures and the nadir was Code Of Honor.
The reason the Empire retreats into the trappings of all the honour and glory bullcrap is because by TNG they're still singing songs about how great their past was when they just went around smashing everyone in the face with a big knife and then stealing all their fruit, much as Britain is now retreating into xenophobia and dreams of past glory. Their backsliding towards a more isolated and militaristic society - and a more one-note species/culture - is painted explicitly as a Bad Thing, and there's a clear understanding of the consequences of the monoculture that the Empire had become by the time of DS9 that wasn't evident in TNG.
The decline is laid at the feet of Gowron and his retreat into the Klingons' martial past as a sop to traditionalists and hardliners who viewed the Empire as having been "made soft" through diplomacy and cultural contamination by immigrants and their ideologies. That he later consolidated his own grip on power by appealing to these traditionalists with military actions - often on the flimsiest of justifications - that the Empire didn't need and wasn't prepared for isn't really a surprise, nor is it that he came a cropper because of it and nearly took the Empire down with him.
