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I am adding my thoughts to the subject and TS's comment so what is the problem ?

Is it a problem if i view it differently to yourself and TS ?

Why, yes it is! This is the internet! 

I didn't think there was a problem - I get the impression sometimes you think any time I post in response to something you've said I have some ulterior motive. You suggested speculating on the homoeroticism (my choice of word) of comic characters was schoolboyish, so I thought I'd suggest that i thought there was a bit more merit in the thought, that's all. Text doesn't always convey the writers voice so well on the intertubes - one of those things I suppose.

M.

It is one of those things because i got the impression that i was speaking out of turn by disagreeing and being ticked off by yourself for doing so.

Thats how your comment came across to me wether it was intentional or not.

Hand drawn with a Tipex pen on a black t-shirt fae Asda?

You should try painting the image on a T shirt with white gloss paint which would be completely permanent.Any oil based paint besides gloss is just as good.

[Slaine]

With regards to the tight clothing of superheros. I really was confused about wether or not it applied to women as well. I don't think it does as much.

I still think that the spandex patheon are veiwed as recognised as gay icons. There is something about the clothing. Something about the bodies.

As I hinted at earlier. I find the physically fit atttractive, but not always in a sexual manner. Male or female. Definitely not in the homosexual sence. As far as I am concerned I am looking at circles and straight lines all proportionately aligned aesthetically.

I admire the female form for the same reason, I also lust after it.

Though, I indentify with the male more. We have the same bits and pieces.

So, I prefer a male hero, to heroine. But not in the sexual sence.

I am a massive fan of Slaine and the semi-fictional, semi-historical world he inhabits.

I hear ya TS ! and thanks for clarifying what you were saying earlier and i dont disagree with any of your comment i quoted here except i hadnt ever considered spandex superheroes as gay icons just because i have never thought about it because they interest me so little.


The Batman TV series from the 60s was very camp.

Drinking Lea and Perrins sauce but only in very small amounts.

Tabasco sauce sandwiches.

Oh, and a nice fresh tub of swarfega, I like to just take the lid off, give the tub a tap on the side and watch it wobble.

What?

Its weird how it vibrates when you do that with Swarfega.

I enjoy housework.

Popping the bubbles on bubble wrap or scrunching it so that lots of the bubbles pop.

Walking barefoot.

I dont have a garden right now but when i did i always enjoyed pissing in the garden every so often.

Going for walks at night.

I dont really follow the train of thought there and it all seems a bit schoolboyish speculating wether characters are gay or not and unless a writer confirms that a character is gay the thought doesnt enter my consciousness

Well Peter, it's a thread about gay comic characters and I beleive TS is specualting on the homoeroticism that you could argue was inherent in much the superhero genre - I know I'm putting words into his mouth, but that's what I think myself. I'm not  a big reader of superhero comics, but I believe I'm familiar enough with them to make those statements.And of course TS is known as a massive Slaine fan, so is even on topic.

and i am sure that Pat Mills and the artists who have drawn Slaine werent consciously writing or drawing in a homosexual subtext into it.

And just to be a smartarse, that's what subtext is 

M.

I am adding my thoughts to the subject and TS's comment so what is the problem ?

Is it a problem if i view it differently to yourself and TS ?

I also realise what subtext is which is why i used the word in its correct context.

Its in progs 193 - 196 somewhere in the JD strip if thats any help.

 


I dont follow the question here or how it relates to subscribing or what the problem is.

Just pay the subscription with your card.

I think TS makes a fair enough point, even if he is being slightly tongue in cheek, and especially about superheroes. Ye know, same sex, tight clothes, hang around together after dark, perhaps hiding their true nature from loved ones - it fits a certain stereotype for gay men does it not? It certainly fits some of them there gays I know.

The stereotype for actual, real lesbians is surely baggy clothing and short hair is it not? I don't see how TS's observations infer anything about women characters meself.

M.

I didnt get the tongue in cheek aspect of the comment but perhaps they are all gay and they meet up and go cottaging or hang around on Clapham Common or cruise gay bars and clubs at night.I dont really follow the train of thought there and it all seems a bit schoolboyish speculating wether characters are gay or not and unless a writer confirms that a character is gay the thought doesnt enter my consciousness and i am sure that Pat Mills and the artists who have drawn Slaine werent consciously writing or drawing in a homosexual subtext into it.


TS's comment didnt infer anything about female characters as i brought them into the debate simply by applying the same thinking to female characters because i dont understand why his thinking regarding clothing applies to male characters only.

I must admit i dont know if Lesbians find fit women attractive in the same way that gays find fit men attractive but even saying that is an assumption and a stereotype in itself.

[Johnny Alpha]

I thinking along the lines that all superheros or any comicbook creation that is male and wears tight clothing. Usaulley the one piece spandex suit or it might be tight clothing and very revealing. Accentuating muscule tone.& pointing out their erogenous zones.This coupled with the fact that alot of superheros that I know of are single sex duos. With the exception of a few.
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Of course, all that I just said might have more to do with a celebration of youth , vigor, and a healthy body than just being gay/homosexual . Single sex duos, might have more to do with single sex bonding.

Apart from Johnny Alpha 's close ties to Wulf. Has anybody noticed that nearly every character is drawn/dressed that way. Clothing that compliments their trim, taut and terrific bodies.

Look at Slaine who went skyclad with his Red Branch breathen, and he never wore pants, until he was drawn by Glenn Fabry.

Sure, he's very popluar amongst the women folk, and had his fair share while focusing on one in particular. There was sus moment being shared by him and Ukko. During the course of Creeping Death. Maybe it was the strain of being isolated away from a regular woman or his beloved for so long or maybe it was just Ukko being a dirty little dwarf.

Looking back on it now, it did seem one sided and while Slaine was recovering from being bitten by the half-dead.

There is that other occasion when Slaine is stark naked, having his body painted by none other than Ukko. Thats really intimate, but I guesss it's based more on ritual, than sexual..

I guess Ukko's lust spills over to whomever happens to be close at hand at times, but if Slaine isn't straight, it's because he's warped and in a way he's always close to that other important woman in his life.

I don't think he is gay/homosexual and if I am admireing his physicque, it's all about the machine quotient, not the male quotient. No, I'm not saying that he is a droid, but referrrig to that non-sexual aspect in all of us that is likened to machinery.

All of thee above was intended to inform, and not offend.

You're thinking about this way too much.

Its odd reasoning really thinking tight clothes automatically means a character is gay because does this mean the same for women as well like Durham Red ?

What about Judge Anderson ?

Its hard to imagine Judge Dredd not wearing a tight fitting uniform and wearing something baggy instead and aesthetically it would look terrible and probably feel very uncomfortable as well.I think the gay factor is a side issue and not the main consideration here as its inevitable and i daresay its the same with female characters and the lesbian factor.

Its just the applying your thinking to males only that i dont really understand and its just the natural shape of the human body which everyone should have got over it by now.

It also makes the characters easier to draw as well and i find drawing loose fitting clothes quite difficult wheras drawing tight fitting clothes on a male or female character is really just drawing their bodies and adding a different texture to their skin to look like a layer of fabric or which is either shiny or matt like material so it must save artists a lot of time.

I watched this film a while ago and now i cant recall a thing about it as there was nothing memorable about it.I was indifferent to it and i cant even think of anything else to say about it here.

a great idea and one that would make a fantastic art comp here- select a prog, turn to page X and interpret/re-imagine/be inspired by that page

That would be a fantastic idea for a comp especially for artists who are beginners who havent done sequential work as reimagining a page is halfway between copying and drawing a completely original page because you would reinterpret the existing sequencing.

Why not just have it as a thread that could be continually added to ?

I am not sure in hindsight that i overreacted to nothing but thats not the first time and it wont be the last either.

I was annoyed by that comment for hours.

I just realised that Professor Byars Ginger comment did not include an exclamation  mark.

Just thought i would add a correction to my previous comment.

[thats the way i read the comment.]

thats the way i read the comment.

I'm not sure how you could read anything at all into a word said in isolation.  Why did you assume it was meant negatively?

It read to me that the word GINGER wasnt said in isolation other than the fact that it was typed as one word so its obvious that the word ginger was referring to KG so therefore you cant say it was said in isolation as it wasnt an abstract word that you used.

Its also well known to you that redheads are subject to a certain amount of prejudices etc and thats the way that myself and CF read the comment.

Its also the way it was typed in caps with an explanation mark because lets face it if she was Black and i typed BLACK ! then you would have been the first to say i was racist.Also the way you used and typed the word implied humor or that it was somehow of great importance or both.