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So depressing to hear about 2000AD artwork being chucked in skips when Murdoch bought IPC. Sacrilege. The audience was told how the bigwigs at IPC thought the Mills & O'Neill Robusters was a load of rubbish but they were torn between their hatred of Mills and O'Neill's work and their greed, as 2000AD was selling so well. Well I must admit I had goosebumps when images of this 'rubbish' was being projected as I recall the impact these particular episodes had on me as a kid.

I thought i would let yourself and others know that some of the artwork that was skipped was salvaged and is now in collections.I know who has some of it but they wont sell.

There is still a certain amount that wasnt salvaged that ended up in landfill and i will guess that about 50 percent of it is lost forever.IPC did contact various artists about wether or not they wanted the art before it was chucked and one example was Belardinelli who declined the offer because he was concerned over the shipping costs amongst other things.

 

Glad the weekend was a success for everyone involved despite the lack of any JD material.

Why cant MM treat everyone like an adult [and behave like one] and just state the reason why there was no JD material instead of trying to sweep under the rug ? 

I had my ticket but i wasnt feeling too good and i couldnt face crowds or pubs/socialising or even going to London.Nothing to do with any of you BTW but it was gorgeous weather and i needed to go and get mind and body together in the countryside which is what i did.

I have a weekend ticket but i will be present on Saturday only so if anyone present on Saturday who has a Saturday only ticket and would like to attend on Sunday then send a PM or ask on the day and you can have my ticket.

That was good.

Many thanks to everyone who was present.

The highlight of the day for me was watching Peter Wolf getting mugged by the gypsy ladies. Hey Peter if you had bought some more lucky heather I think you would have been in there 
Special thanks to CF for bringing us altogether.
I hope everyone got home safely.

Bw
Nap

I did give them some cash and it was interesting listening to what they had to say.I gave them some cash in the spirit of giving and because they said nice things.Its interesting as they all had the same look about them.I was definately  latched onto by them plus i was asked for directions 3 times [which always happens for some inexplicable reason and always by women] one of which was by two gorgeous girls looking for a Jamie Oliver Italian place plus the poor homeless guy whose hands looked swollen and blue suggesting circulation problems with open cuts that were not healing up so of course he got some cash as well.

Then i found a 65 quid front row circle ticket for Chicago which didnt interest me but ElChivo went to see it instead so someone got some use out of it rather than it being wasted.

I am on the train, eating a frozen lion bar. Why its frozen, i have no idea.
Early one for me, as i have to go into soho first to try to find an opium pipe.
SBT

Could you keep a lookout for a Crack pipe and buy one if possible ?

I will refund you when i see you .

Thanks

Good to see you back, Peter.

Many thanks.

However i am not meant to be back at all as to all intents and purposes i had left the forum despite the fact i would log in and read various threads.I decided to end the whole thing for various reasons that i will not go into here.The negatives outweighed the positives and this had been building up for quite some time.Too many undercurrents of bad feeling.

Yesterday while intending to PM CF about Saturday i stupidly posted a comment instead without thinking which broke radio silence as it were and i could have kicked myself for doing that especially after deliberating all day at work wether or not to post one comment or send a PM.I decided to send a PM and ended up posting a comment anyway.

Personally i think the forum is no worse off without my posts and in some ways its better off and i feel better off for not posting comments.

Leaving the forum was like a 12 step detox/AA programme where it was one day at a time where at various points i would get the urge to post something but i managed to resist the temptation.I got a bad feeling about the whole place and despite the fact i am posting this comment my attitude hasnt changed and i am not really back at all.

I was already committed to meeting up prior to leaving and i was up in London last weekend meeting with family in the same place so i fancied doing it again.

So unless my attitude changes that really is it.I just dont see things returning to the way they were.

I thought i  would provide an explanation.

Take care in the meantime..............

Confirmed forum members for the London gathering at the moment :-

Colin Zeal,
Kerrin,
Dunk,
El Chivo,
SmallBlueThing,
Mardroid,
SuoerSurfer,
Large48,
Albion,
Nap Normal,
COMMANDO FORCES &
exilewood.

If anyone else wants to turn up you are quite welcome to!

That was meant to be a PM.No idea why i posted a comment instead apart from tiredness and not paying attention.

Anyway my name is now inadvertently added to the list.

Normal service [no posts or comments] is now resumed.

See you all Saturday.

With Jimbo Hansen, John Holdren, Paul Ehrlich and Al Gore you have the four horsemen of the doompocalypse. I don't think either have made a correct prediction in their entire lives (did Jimbo predict he'd go senile?).

Personally I'm calling mass media hysteria and possibly a staged event of some kind. Definitely the former and maybe a continued build up of all the UFO nonsense throughout 2011.

I guess the majority of people are unfamiliar with the views shared by Holdren and Ehrlich etc but they all share the same mindset and political/ enviromental views that are comparable to Hitler and in some cases are much worse.

Al Gore has been very widely discredited as well.


All of them are unfit to be in public office.

Just cos you bellowed for it:

- Says he met the Wachowski's (no emphasis on the word brothers), for lunch over Christmas and stated that they had completed work on a two picture script treatment that would see him return to the world of the matrix as Neo. Says the brothers have met with Jim Cameron to discuss the pro's and con's of 3D and are looking to deliver something which has never been seen again. keanu stated that he still has an obligation to the fans to deliver a movie worthy of the title "The Matrix" and he swears this time that the treatment will truly revolutionise the action genre like the first movie. Wachowski's are working on a movie called "Cloud Atlas" at the moment, once that concludes they will talk again.

From Keanu, apparently.


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48199

I am not sure what is meant by "never been seen again".

Films often end up as showpieces of various effects while lacking in the script dept and this is especially true of the two matrix sequels that ended up being forgettable which was a shame as the first film was so good.

But at the end of the day we must remember... this is NOT a Judge Dredd film.... it is a film only BASED on Judge Dredd.

That is the most sensible thing anyone has said about this film so far and its completely true.

[Dredd's]

Lawmaster on the loose-involved Dredd's Lawmaster going awol and blasting everything in sight including a tube train full of commuters if I remember correctly.

We, here on the forums seem to be equally shell shocked by Film's Lawmaster design but it's done folks. If you don't care for the design [and I include myself in this] well we haven't seen the final design in context re-lit,etc so I might not like the bike but that's the one the Film makers have decided is going in the Movie. Game over.    

You can do what you like with the bike and mess around with lighting and angles and show it in a different context etc but the design of the bike will still be the same as it is in the pic we have here.

Look at the pic of the other bike that i commented on earlier and see how that looks good in the pic and how it doesnt need different lighting and angles and context etc because something that looks good will look good in any light from any angle and in any context and there is far too much of that kind of talk going on here when its the design of the bike that is being criticised and lighting isnt going to help and lighting isnt going to change the riding position etc.The back end of it in the pic reminds me of the design of a scooter.Taste in design is subjective though unfortunately.




FWIW i agree with your comment otherwise as we get what we are given and it all depends on either how easily pleased you are or how forgiving you are prepared to be.We have seen the final design as someone else here pointed out that the prop designs are all finished.

The same can be said of the Left regarding the above comments and even more so and i say that as objectively as possible.

It comes down to who you choose to believe about climate change: a man who has studied and published on the subject all his adult life and is one of the senior figures of his discipline, or the political tools of big business who smile and tell us it's (conveniently) all in hand, be they David Cameron, Brian Cowen, Barack Obama, Wen Jibao or Sarah Fucking Palin.  I don't really care about their supposed ideologies (which as I understand it are universally 'get into power, stay in power'), but I do care very much about the facts, which I believe people like Hansen are trying to tell us.

I would choose to believe neither.

I dont believe the politicised science and i dont trust the political tools of big business.I dont trust or believe in any of it but its not climate change itself that is in dispute but the causes of as believing that climate change doesnt exist in itself is just Ass-inine.

The main problem with this subject is the majority dont understand the bigger picture and dont read between the lines and havent done their own research on the organistaions involved and just take or accept things as read and their arguments in favor of the official line on climate change/AGW are really nothing more than an argument for authority/appeal to authority/a fallacy of defective induction.

I am not attacking anyone for having that kind of view but the fact is i am far too well read and researched on the subject to take any of that seriously.Thats just how it is.I dont watch much TV and i use a lot of my spare time reading up on it all.

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Does anyone here have any knowledge or understanding of Astronomy enough to say that the Planet X/Niburu scare stories are BS and scaremongering ?

There is a lot of New Age bunk that goes along with it as well but all i am interested in is wether or not a Brown Dwarf star is going to enter our solar system for a period of time or not and its curious because i havent seen any footage myself that is convincing but another curious thing is the section of sky it appears in is apparently missing from Google sky.Its supposed to be present by 2012 and its claimed it will be a catastrophic event.

Anyway whatever is to happen everyone will find out when its too late right at the last minute which doesnt really matter if there is nothing you can do about it anyway.

The Federal Reserve act which was signed and passed in 1913 which handed the FED into private ownership for 100 years expires on 21/12/2012.

.............if anyone on here has been influenced over the years reading Dredd. For example the way they deal with crime in MC1, the politics etc. I have been reading on and off since prog 1 (was 9 yrs old at the time) and i have to say i have a secret admiration for instant justice, especially for the most severest of crimes and tougher sentences, also i have no qualms with all the CCTV either. I do think that reading Dredd over the years has influenced at least in some of these leanings.

While you can totally disagree with that kind of Authoritarianism theres a big difference between a state that is protecting the interests of the people as in actually working in their interests and another that isnt and it doesnt take much imagination to realise that kind of Authoritarianism is very very dangerous.Others admire that style of
Authoritarianism and there are far too many of them.

Thankfully the ruling class in MC1 are mainly benevolent instead of malevolent.

The Day The Law died showed what can happen when its justice system is hijacked by an insane narcissistic tyrant.Otherwise try living in a hostile police state as there are plenty to choose from and its heading that way here and in the US so its inevitable to a certain extent.

As nations go  into economic decline and govts are corrupted/hijacked then a growing hostile police state is unavoidable in the short and sometimes long term and there are always enough people of low to average intelligence levels who are more than happy to dress up as stormtroopers to oppress and intimidate the people.Violence is the ultimate authority in return for paycheck and whats more they are psychologically profiled so you get the right kind of employee.

Judges have always seemed far more intelligent than that though and all though its fictional i would rather live in MC1 than China.

As liberalism appears to have failed or is it "succeeded" in that crime is now a globalised power and law enforcement is still in the 19th century world of nations states, (that the truly professional crims laugh at no waiting in the queue at airports with the plebs for them  -as they know which countries/authorities are easy to bribe,are weak, or to intimidate  and which are not). So we have a return of slavery ,drugs largely unaffected by interception as the price of illegal drugs is either stable or in many cases falling and little to stop crims of all kinds.

Simply it seems crimes globalised, law enforcement hasn't. Even Dreddy isn't going to solve that.

The system is inherently criminal and corrupt and it would take more than JD to fix it and we are already slaves.The criminal and corrupt system also controls the flow of drugs.

Corruption is what destroys civilisations.corruption has destroyed Mexico.corruption is destroying the the US and this is apparent all through history.

Liberalism/Liberals or a large subsection of what are wrongly described as Liberals are really Authoritarians.

I couldnt quite work out what you were saying otherwise unfortunately.

Dont get me started.

I think I already did!

I think you're misinterpreting what was going on there - Hansen believes, on the basis of the science within which he is an acknowledged expert, that the US's absurd bipartisan system, in reality a dog-and-pony show controlled by corporate interests, will never be able to make the decisions that he believes need to be made right now.   He's only anti-democracy in so far as he believes that US democracy doesn't work and won't do what needs to be done on a very tight timescale.  FWIW I believe him. His China remarks were by way of illustrating this - but were poorly judged.  He wasn't commenting on China's environmental policy.  The man is a scientist, not a PR-spun politician, and he is desperate to see solutions implemented.

Of course the Right, who themselves only believe in democracy as long as it can be manipulated through rabble rousing hate-speak and maintaining the poverty and ignorance that permits it, took this as all their Christmases coming at once.  Another reason to bury scientific claims under chest-thumping rhetoric.

I havent started yet.

I havent misunderstood/misinterpreted anything as i have done my homework on James Hansen and i know who he is affiliated with and i understand that he is an Authoritarian and i understand his political outlook and i understand lots of other things about James Hansen that i wont go into here.I understand the wider agenda that its all part of and i understand the reason for James Hansens doublestandards etc.

I want James Hansen to put his taxpayer money where his mouth is and go over to China and lecture them about reducing their enviromental impact on the planet while praising their wonderful Authoritarian Collectivist/Capitalist political system that is apparently the solution because like i said the CO2 output of the US has dropped significantly through de-industrialisation in the last 10 years.

The corporate/Financial interests that control the US are wholly responsible for the de-industrialisation of the US and the West in general so in that sense they have all unilaterally reduced the CO2/pollution output of the US already.

This is very simple.

I dont expect James Hansen to say anything publically as to why Americas system of Constitutional Democracy is broken as we wouldnt want him to bite the hand that feeds him.

Should someone who is on the payroll of the US taxpayer be calling for an economic boycott of the US ?

I think not somehow.

"Of course the Right, who themselves only believe in democracy as long as it can be manipulated through rabble rousing hate-speak and maintaining the poverty and ignorance that permits it, took this as all their Christmases coming at once.  Another reason to bury scientific claims under chest-thumping rhetoric. "

Is that any worse than all the Maoist/Collectivist/Fake Communists [Who are really Staeists who think that Communism involves nothing but a ruling class while everyone queues up to buy a loaf of bread while living in poverty] who would have cheered when they heard a US public figure praising/advocating Chinese style Authoritarianism ??

The same can be said of the Left regarding the above comments and even more so and i say that as objectively as possible.

The world is not going to end suddenly on an arbitary day of the 2012 calendar but what is going to happen is more of the same only worse than what you are seeing now unless everyone does an about face and wakes up to reality very quickly.People also have a psychological need believe in and fixate on end of the world scenarios and they always have done and always will do.

People are so stupid its pitiful sometimes.