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Wait up SIP,  if they were or are actively thinking of taking on Urban and Thirlby then extremely strong elements of the 12 movie would have to pull through with that.  Z

I'll have to hope for the best, but using the best elements from 1995 Judge Dredd is not what I was hoping for, the Dredd 2012 tone and city were really exciting and had an amazing oppressive, city on the brink of chaos feel. The city in Judge Dredd 1995 plays more to the light hearted, comedic elements of Dredd which I have less interest in nowadays.

I'm sure it'll be great, but what I have always been excited for is the continuation of Dredd 2012, rather than a new continuity, lighter, Judge Dredd series.

So, not party time for me. But happy for those who wanted a different direction.

You can have the overcrowded, high tech look of the 1995 film with highways in the clouds, flying cars etc but still have the gritty feel of the Dredd city.  Some parts of the city can be wealthy and cleaner and other parts can be shiteholes like in Dredd.   Doesn't have to be lighter. 

If shows like Doctor Who can knock out creatures and robots on a regular basis, I'm sure the supposedly big budget of this new Judge Dredd series will manage it too.

Definitely!    And there's been some great robots n stuff in the comics.   

I don't think they'll be any robots, mutants or aliens as they're expensive to make and this is a TV show. Budgets must limit the scale inevitably till it's judged a success. Still, that leaves plenty of storylines available to the creators and it's more than likely they have their own ideas since they'd hardly take on the expense of producing a TV series without some game plan in mind.

I'm more for making the show grounded in a future reality as possible so I'm not so bothered about aliens and certainly supernatural stuff (sorry Judge Death fans.....I think he's a bit naff)  but I think robots and futuristic technology are a must.   They can do some through cgi and others with practical effects.    They should be able to do stuff like that these days in a tv show.

Enjoying the hell out of this series so far.  Pretty much what I wanted from Capaldi's Doctor from the start -- I'll be very sorry to see him go. More like 'proper' Who than anything we've had for years.

Possibly.   I much prefer Capaldi to the annoying Tennant and Smith for sure and the stories are more like something from the Tom Baker era (to a point anyway).   Just can't stand that Missy who looks like is darkening the shows door next week.

I usually watch Nu Who though I'm not a big fan of it.   Especially when they shove characters like Missy in it and all this Timelords can now change gender bollocks.    It's a bit like an advert for the LGBT movement. 

Lots of great plotlines which could be followed, such as Orlok infiltrating the city, Hershey in her last few months/years at the Academy, Cal's descent into madness, Call-Me-Kenneth's rise to dissatisfied sentience, oh Lordy!

I love ALL of those ideas Sharky!

Yes interesting ideas.    The potential for this series could be very large and could other 2000AD characters end up in it too like Marvel's shared universe?   

I'd like to see Ro Busters in it also.   

[Ever heard of something called an opinion?]

And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be?   Ever heard of something called an opinion?

Don't worry, ABCwarBOT -- you haven't done anything wrong.  Everybody here gets a bit tired & emotional when it comes to Dredd appearing on-screen.  Blows are exchanged and apologies usually handed-out afterwards.

 

Thanks.   I suppose it's inevitable when people have ideas of what they want to see on screen.   

[Ever heard of something called an opinion?]

And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be?   Ever heard of something called an opinion?

Don't worry, ABCwarBOT -- you haven't done anything wrong.  Everybody here gets a bit tired & emotional when it comes to Dredd appearing on-screen.  Blows are exchanged and apologies usually handed-out afterwards.

 

Probably not though. It's not that ABCwarBOT is not entitled to have an opinion, of course he is (assuming a "he"), it's the generally aggressive and condescending way that it's been communicated to other forum members that has been the problem.

You can also appreciate that it's obviously going to be inflammatory for a self confessed casual reader (and no offence is implied in that statement) to turn up and appear to start telling the 40-year crowd exactly how Dredd should be done right. It would be fair to say ABCWARBOT that you are preaching to an audience that include people who have pretty much read EVERY Dredd story ever published. It doesn't make us right, because there is no "right" (see my earlier Rants on not listening to fans!), but im sure that you can understand why it might get people's backs up.

Let's get back to the far more important chain links problem.......Ron Smith drew loads! 😊

I don't remember being condascending and aggressive (you should have seen some peoples aggressive reactions to me when I first came on here).    I was accused of being 'you know who' because I said I wasn't fussed on the Lawmaster, uniform and a few other things.   Even though I've often said Dredd was still a good film.

As for being a casual fan well I've still bought many comics over the years and have issue 1 all the way up to 219 plus many issues after that.   I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started. 

And the early 70s comics are the main Dredd for me.   That's where it all started and that's what I mainly need.  I don't need to read every issue right up to the latest date in 2017.  I bet there's a lot of repetition and it's very hard to keep things original and fresh after so many issues.   Again I have bought issues right up until very recently -- just not every week or month.

I see so anybody who puts forward their point of view is 'spaffing' their authority?   I don't have to have read every issue to know quite a bit about Dredd.   I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.   

Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?

Wow... okay you the expert, how the Dredd series would be better?

What's that supposed to mean?

[Ever heard of something called an opinion?]

I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.

Gosh! You bought the comic regularly for the first 2-3 years (during Dredd's formative phase, forty years ago) and then couldn't be bothered after that? You're just the sort of 'fan' every publisher needs!

Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?

I haven't offered any opinion on what approach the TV series should take, so I'm clearly not setting myself up as an authority. I'm pointing out that the early years of Dredd were very much a work in progress, with a lot of shit thrown at the wall that didn't stick. The idea that you get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be in this context is laughable.

I've bought some just not on a regular weekly or monthly basis like I did in the 70s but I don't need to justify what I buy to you or anyone else.   

And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be?   Ever heard of something called an opinion?

Apart from an issue here and there I haven't bought it regularly since the 70s.

And yet, here you are, spaffing on about the 'right' way to do Dredd. You're quite the authority.

I see so anybody who puts forward their point of view is 'spaffing' their authority?   I don't have to have read every issue to know quite a bit about Dredd.   I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.   

Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?   

[nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.]

And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.

    A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.

How big a chunk, exactly?  Not sure what the current readership of 2000ad is but I don't think it's a significant proportion of the 650,000 people who bought the dvd or blu-ray.

I would say those sales surpass a million, and the readership must only be a small fraction of that. 

On top of that, only a small fraction of the readership posts on this forum.

And not all Dredd fans buy or still buy 2000AD.  Apart from an issue here and there I haven't bought it regularly since the 70s.   I bet most of the people who bought the Dredd dvd are Dredd fans.   

[The Great Rock & Roll Swindle]

with Kingsley aiming to be "well above" the £1m an hour budget a major TV show demands. "If everything goes according to plan, we're going to make one of the most expensive TV shows the UK has ever seen."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/11/judge-dredd-mega-city-one-set-to-dispense-tv-justice

I love that they're really thinking big with this one.  I hope it's a rip-roaring success.

As Malcolm McLaren says in The Great Rock & Roll Swindle, "Don't think in tens - think in hundreds!"

Let's hope so.   I don't think there's any other choice with this than to think big and they can't do this on the cheap.   I'd imagine the first few episodes would look more epic then they'd do some smaller in scope episodes.   A mixture of both.

That poster's a good start to me.

Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.   

I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.

Leaving aside that Empire Strikes Back had already been made and is still  available to watch for those that can't  get enough, the Lucas 'misstep' of the prequels took $2.5 billon worldwide, and that's just box-office, probably a drop in the overall ocean. He subsequently sold Lucasfilm for $4 billion. Like 'em or loathe 'em, the prequels were a success, but incidentally got progressively worse the more Lucas listened to the whining of so-called fans until he plainly couldn't give a monkey's by the end.

Fans are morons: if they were any judge of what they actually wanted and how to deliver it from a financial, technical and artistic standpoint they'd be making their own films themselves, instead of entitled rants on YouTube.

So are you a moron yourself then seeing as you're posting in a Dredd forum?   I don't agree with everything Star Wars fans say about the films (especially the whining about the Special Editions which improved some parts though made other parts worse) but many fans say the prequels became better as they went along as Lucas quite rightly dropped annoying things like Jar Jar Binks and did listen to the fans a bit. 

Revenge of the Sith is regarded by many as the best of the prequels and Lucas actually said he was making it for the fans.   

[nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.]

I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.

Tell that to the makers of that awful Thunderbirds film (who ignored the fans and made Spy Kids instead)

Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.   

And of course Dredd was such a success in the cinema's wasn't it.    Nobody's saying that everything the fans say has to be taken into consideration or done or is always right........but ignore the fans at your peril.    Sometimes fans do make some good points believe it or not and everyone in this thread is a fan.

Thunderbird film was not faithful to the source material. It decided to do something different and failed as a result. It was not rubbish because it didn't listen to fans, it was rubbish because it wasn't thunderbirds.

I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.

Again, I found Dredd captured the spirit of Judge Dredd perfectly and it certainly did not fail for nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.

If we have a television series because of the growing cult of Dredd 2012, then this show would be ill advised to veer too far from that or risk alienating the broader fan base of that film. Why jeopardise a hard earned ready-audience?  It just seems like a no brained to me.

As soon as Thunderbirds fans found out about what they were doing they were vocal about it and the studios ignored them and Gerry Anderson.   As for Force Awakens well fans were asking for a good movie.......not a remake of A New Hope (which Force Awakens was to a large extent) and they've been vocal about that ever since too.   

On the other hand Rogue One (which I'm surprised you found turgid) was very well received by critics and fans alike.   And pleasing the fans was one of the definite aims of Rogue One.       

And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.

    A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.