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I don't want this to turn into a debate about scojo but I've just looked at what Steve's posted and to be honest....I can't really tell anything much from that apart from he had depression.    I still think it's odd though.   I mean is this guy some disgruntled former emploee of something 2000AD or Dredd related?    If he's this well known and has been haunting the Dredd world for so long (and apparently driving loads of people mental ) is there any pictures of him?


Does anyone on here know him or who he is?    Has he threatened anyone.. got some agenda or is he just a fan venting a few frustrations?   

That half hour Spiderman trailer sounds ridiculous.   I hate the way some of these traliers give half the film away before you've even seen it.

*sigh* hello Scott

Goaty - Can we move on, please? He's not him. Not everyone who doesn't like an aspect of the film is Scojo.

ABCWarbot - Really, you think this is some sort of group hallucination? I really don't want to waste time on talking about him, but have a trawl through the usenet archives of alt.comics.2000ad,

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics

There's literally over a decade of his stuff there. If that's not enough for you, PM me - I don't want to clutter up the board giving a potted history of him.

Thanks for posting those.  I'll have a look at them now seeing as I know nothing about this person.

Why is everyone picking on this bloke and calling him scojo?

The vehicles DO look a little bit disappointingly retro. This is largely because of budget and not because it's part of "the vision". If they had a budget of £200m I'm sure the city and vehicles and overall look of the film would be far closer to the amazing future metropolis we all know.

"Mewl mewl how do you know what the future looks like?"

Easy. We all know what Mega-City One is supposed to look like, because it's been portrayed in the fucking comic for 3 decades. It looked pretty great in the Stallone film at the start.

All this chat about fucking post-nuclear realism and whatnot is a bit silly.

Thanks for injecting some sanity into this scojo insanity Brendan.    And can't help but agree with what you say.

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Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I.

STOP INCESSANTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THEN.

No need to shout and don't exaggerate.   I've already said some things I like and if you don't like my posts then don't read them.

Uh-huh.

And I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not the only one who's becoming sceptical about this bizarre scojo nonsense.   So give it a rest please folks.

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Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic. 

In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer.   When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.

This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least.   If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from?   Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s?    And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?

Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).

What do you like about the film?

Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I.   Here's a few things I do like from what I've seen and heard....



I like the fact that it's going to be gritty

I like that Dredd doesn't remove his helmet

I like certain aspects of Dredds uniform (the helmet for instance)

I like certain aspects from what I've seen of Mega City 1


So just because I criticise certain aspects of the flm doesn't mean I'm this scojo or that I don't think they've got anything right.   

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I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?

A bit of both.   In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic.   The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now.   I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic.   Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though

Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist.   You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.   

I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.

Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?

Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic. 

In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer.   When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.

This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least.   If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from?   Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s?    And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?

Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).

You're like a fart in a spacesuit. No wonder everyone thinks you're you-know-who. (I still think you are.)

When you've survived a nuclear holocaust, please be sure to tell us what the cars look like afterwards.

I don't bloody care if you think I'm "you know who".   I'm beginning to wonder if this scojo doesn't actually exist.  He's just a convenient scapegoat so anyone who says they don't like certain aspects of the film can be made to look like it's really him.

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I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?

A bit of both.   In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic.   The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now.   I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic.   Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though

Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist.   You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.   

I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.

Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?

Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic. 

In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer.   When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.

This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least.   If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from?   Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s?    And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?

Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).   

I also haven't heard many people commenting on the vehicles outside this forum.

Just one person on same subject in many forums

Well in that case there must be at least 1 other person saying a similar thing as I don't post about Dredd on any other forums.

[it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city]

Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city. . . . .
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now.   First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles.  I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).   
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.

I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?

A bit of both.   In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic.   The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now.   I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic.   Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though

Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist.   You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.   

Unfortunately as Joe says we're stuck with them.

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Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city.
I think there should be more shots of mega tall skyscrapers bunched together more and at least some flying man made objects to make things busier .
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing.  Acting seems competent.

The films finished, forget about tweaks of a CGI sort.

I like how they''ve laid out the city. I think it comes across as a more impressive infra-structure and here's why: Seeing thousands of 200 storey blocks spread out across hundreds of miles with normal skyscrapers clustered around them gives a better idea of the sheer height and scale of MC-1, those normal buildings provide a great contrast to the colossal blocks and the scale is made very clear, visually. Something that I haven't seen any othe Metropolis style cities do so well. That opening shot makes the blocks look like tombstones or megalithic structures.

I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing. 

It's a block-war within one block, Peach Trees. The building has an open-air Atrium in the middle from top to bottom. There are 4 blocks/sides of apartments and the interior ones have balconies that all face each other across the open space of the atrium inside the block.

There's 2 things that mainly bother me now.   First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles.  I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).   
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers. 

Right finally saw it after it not playing for me yesterday.   I think there's potential for a half decent Dredd flick in there.  Urban seems a good choice to play Dredd.   I'm still not overly fussed on parts of the uniform and the helmet maybe looks slightly big in parts but he seems to have got the voice pretty well.

Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city.
I think there should be more shots of mega tall skyscrapers bunched together more and at least some flying man made objects to make things busier .
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing.  Acting seems competent.

Still don't like the Lawmaster bike but we're stuck with it now and the 90s looking vehicles look like a fish out of water in a film set in our future .   Doubt it will happen but DNA imo should add more futuristic vehicles before the film's released with CGI otherwise people will pick up on it calling it cheap.

I think it's fair to say that most Dredd fans don't want this to be just a dumb action flick.  They want something more intelligent.

It's more than that but it still may not be what you like.

Are you talking about more satire.....if so then that's a start.   I'm off to see if I can watch the trailer now after problems with it yesterday.

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I reckon there are elements of satire in the Stallone film: how ever seriously ourselves,or more importantly, our younger selves, took him as a character,- he really was that whole American 'dirty harry' thang taken to an absurd conclusion, from the outset.
Some elements of that did creep in to the film, and without an entirely self-conscious or unselfish-conscious tone to the whole story, those bits came across as just plain stoopid.

I reckon all that Klute is calling for here is less stoopid bits.

Indeed i really hated schneider in the film amongst other thing's but yeah less stupid more action for me...... if that upset's ABC then so be it,But there was enough comedy and satire in Stallone's film without really having to quote a particular scene,seem's to me that he has an axe to grind.

Not that any of the above matters after watching the trailer today i'm happy with first look and hope the rest is as good.

Yeah....there wasn't really much satire in Stallones film was there.   I think you're getting stupid comedy bits mixed up with satire.   Satire's an integral part of Dredd history and if you want a dumb action film fine....but please don't get satire (which can be pretty scathing) mixed up with stupid comedy bits and sidekicks.

Oh i don't have the two mixed up at all! and i'd rather a dumb action film than that bucket of spew produced in 95

I'd like to agree to disagree and move on,tbh it's getting boring......you're getting boring

YAWWWWNNNN "These aren't the droid's you're looking for move along!"

Oh I think you do have the 2 mixed up and not only that..............people criticised the 95 flick precisely because it was a dumb action flick and didn't capture the satire from the Dredd in comic form...so your argument's arse backwards.
I think it's fair to say that most Dredd fans don't want this to be just a dumb action flick.  They want something more intelligent.

If you want a dumb action flick then go and watch the 95 film.