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Tiplodocus

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16545 on: 11 December, 2019, 05:44:01 pm »
Remember up the thread when I put on my tinfoil hat and said magic votes would appear for the Tories from somewhere?  Apparently they arrived by post already.

That's quite exceptional - if it's true then a BBC reporter is breaking the law by declaring election results before polling day (never mind before the polls have closed - they haven't even opened yet).

Again, the Calhab is ahead of you. Ruth Davison, the Scottish Leader of Conservatives, who you Have to remind yourself to hate her, did it at last election and no prosecution followed.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16546 on: 11 December, 2019, 06:25:42 pm »
I came across a thread on Twitter a few days ago where people were sharing their experiences of US healthcare — specifically, in this case, people who'd had quite serious surgical procedures under local anesthetic because having a general meant an overnight stay in hospital which they couldn't afford. One person described actually watching surgeons open up his abdomen and how much pain you can still feel under a local.

Apparently, in US healthcare, this is Very Much A Thing (to the extent that there's a NY Times article about it that I won't bother linking because it's behind a paywall).

One doctor rightly described the whole thing as 'uncivilised' saying that in this day and age, we shouldn't just be giving people "something to bite down on" during surgery.

See also: uninsured victims of accidents begging bystanders not to call them an ambulance and opting to make their own way to hospital instead, women in labour getting Ubers to hospital instead of ambulances etc etc. These aren't exaggerated horror stories, these are things that happen all the time.

Mixing healthcare with profit motives, to me, introduces so many self-evident conflicts of interest, as a corporation is, given the choice, obviously always going to put profit before wellbeing.

Far from being 'more efficient' because of competition, the sheer number of different providers and the huge amounts of money involved things like marketing, having to hire god knows how many agents and middle-men, all the bloated admin involved... It's really hard to see how it isn't far more wasteful and bloated than a fully socialised system.

Again, things like this alone, in any sane world, should end the argument.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16547 on: 11 December, 2019, 06:43:58 pm »
I was in A&E recently after falling off my motorbike.  The ambulance crew put me in a wheelchair and gave me some kind of vape to smoke which got me absolutely off my tits and most definitely killed the pain. I had a great time.  Sorry, I realise this doesn't advance discussions in any way.

Europe: "Someone has been hurt: quickly, get them high!"
USA: "Someone has been hurt: quickly, let's profit from that!"
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