Scott Nestle

[Emperor]

Although this was all done in a rather odd (even underhand?) way and the road would have been less bumpy with a bit of discussion things being put up for deletion needn't be a malicious action. In some ways its part of the process required to keep an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone from being vandalised by random crazy folk (and lets be honest the Internet is full of them).

The final outcome was:

Kept:

Arthur Wyatt
FutureQuake
Adrian Bamforth
Edward Berridge
Kieron Gillen
Matt Timson - it got three votes for a "speedy keep" due to a "bad faith nomination" which was a new one on me.

Deleted:

Commercial Suicide
Pony School
Action Stations!

Which is not an unreasonable outcome - I just feel we could have reached the same state of affairs via an easier route.

[Matt Timson]

"Matt Timson - it got three votes for a "speedy keep" due to a "bad faith nomination" which was a new one on me"

Really?  I couldn't even find where I'd been put up for deletion- never mind the arguments for being kept in...

[longmanshort]

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Matt_Timson" target="_blank">Skin of his teeth ;P

[Matt Timson]

Cheers- I still don't understand why I couldn't find it myself though!

Arthur- would you mind removing my work from your site, please?  What with my not being a notable artist, I'm sure you won't miss it.  It must be nice to reach the dizzying heights of three whole Future Shocks and then piss on the people that were happy to help you on your way.

To be honest, I'm having difficulty in deciding which I think is sadder- that you'd go to the trouble in the first place, or that you'd try and set up a mentally deficient cretin like Mongo for the fall.  It's beyond pathetic!  Where's your pride?  I can't believe you haven't even offered an apology for the deception.

Really, *really* small.  I'm a bit gutted to be honest.

Link: http://www.arthurwyatt.co.uk/comics/ripper1.html" target="_blank">admittedly non-notable art I'd like removing pleas

[Art]

Matt - read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BIO">this for a description of what notability means in wikipedia terms as it applies to people. Then feel free to get offended about the listing, or not.

[Art]

Oh, and if you want anything taken down email me about it.

[Funt Solo]

"...you may wish to explain your position to the user, before nominating it for deletion ... a personal and specific message, about your concerns ... is more helpful ..."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BIO" target="_blank">Wikipedia:Notability (people)

[WoD]

The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field.

If the field is (and I know it is a narrow field) UK Indie Press/Comics then I would say someone who has done a fair share of work for such publications is worthy of an historic record.  FFS...if a person goes on to become even more notable, then isn't it nice to have a bit of background on them, and if they don't then they can still be noteable in that field.

Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work

This sounds like it could be applied to inviduals who draw, and individual publications...

And I still don't get it why Art stopped with the deletions he put forward.  Why not have a go at some of the other UK small press on wiki.

[Matt Timson]

I'm not offended and never said that I was.

I'm surprised and a little bit disappointed that you'd act like such a nob, but that's about it.  I know you've been particularly pissy about the whole small press thing for quite some time- but why do something like that?  And if you're going to do it, why not put your own name to it?  I can't imagine that using Mongo's name would cause less fuss for anybody except you.

[Matt Timson]

Oh, and I'll email you about taking my stuff down if I really have to, Arthur- but I already asked you nicely enough in a public place and I won't ask you nicely again.

[Art]

If the field is (and I know it is a narrow field) UK Indie Press/Comics then I would say someone who has done a fair share of work for such publications is worthy of an historic record

And I'd argue that small press comics are not inherently notable, and I have concerns that the britiwsh small press comics area of wikipedia is becoming a cruft-magnet.

Please note that I have nothing personal against the subjects of the articles, I just think it's questionable that they should have wikipedia articles.

Likewise I have nothing personal against myself, but I've come to the opinion that it's a bit silly that a wikipedia article for me exists.

And I still don't get it why Art stopped with the deletions he put forward. Why not have a go at some of the other UK small press on wiki.

IIRC Solar Wind and The End Is Nigh both have won reasonably substantial awards - though in the case of tEiN I'm fairly hazy on that.

As a counter question why aren't you screaming that theres no entry for Bulldog Adventure Magazine, an unquestionable notable small press comic?

None of which I should really have to say, since all of this should be dealt with in the context of the wikipedia afd process.

[Matt Timson]

"Please note that I have nothing personal against the subjects of the articles, I just think it's questionable that they should have wikipedia articles"

So you'll be hounding the rest of Wikipedia for entries that you think shouldn't be there then?  You're so full of it, Arthur- you've had it in for that particular bunch of small press lot for ages- I'm just surprised to find myself included.

[Art]

So you'll be hounding the rest of Wikipedia for entries that you think shouldn't be there then?

Um yes, I do. Check here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Artw">User contributions.

Pay particular attention to anything marked "(top)" and followed by a correspomding "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion" article.

[Bolt-01]

Art: Had a look at the list of activity on Wiki you posted.

You not working at the moment? That is a heck of a lot of stuff.

Bolt-01

[Matt Timson]

If Mongo (or indeed anyone else) had posted that list, you'd be citing 'mentalism' by now.  To be honest, I'm not 100% sure of exactly what it is I'm looking at for the most part- so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

In any case, the way you went about your crusade in this instance was just... weird.  I'm sorry if you can't acknowledge that.

Thanks for taking my stuff down.