2000ad in comics britannia.

[Steve Green]

Pretty much what others have said (Too much Viz, not enough Tooth) - Wagner may not have wanted to be interviewed, but he should have at least warranted a mention.

The lack of mention of the other adult comics, Toxic, Revolver, Crisis etc. was a bit odd and I think having Alan Moore reading out his work was a bit indulgent - the Ditko prog was more informative regarding Rorschach.

Just having the writer read out the dialogue doesn't really add much.

Still, lovely to see Carlos and Alan astride a Lawmaster.

- Steve

[Wils]

Who'd've thunk that Rorschach was a touch brum?

Brum?! Moore has a very strong, but very obviously Northampton accent which isn't Brummie at all (unless you happen to be one of those southern type people who think *all* Midlanders are Brummies#). Northampton is 50 miles and a whole two counties away from Birmingham, so I personally can't see how it can be thunk, tbh.

Then again, I *am* a Midlander...





#Which actually reminds me of an episode of The Generation Game when after the hateful Jim Davidson asked one pair of contestants where they came from and they replied "Coventry" he looked at the camera, did a thumbs-up and very loudlyly went "Y'ORLOIGHT THEER MOIYT!". What a fucking twat.

[Funt Solo]

::"Still, lovely to see Carlos and Alan astride a Lawmaster."

Someone else referred to that.  Did I blink and miss something?  I don't remember seeing any creators astride lawmasters - and I watched the whole show.  (Probably me not seeing the wood for the trees, but you've got me curious.)

[Funt Solo]

Sounded brummie to me as well.  You need to add ignorant northern type people to your ignorant southern type people.  We're all it.

[Floyd-the-k]

Viz, a comic whose influence extends no further than the UK

...I can't speak for the rest of the non-UK world, but Viz is very popular in Australia

I've never heard of Charles Shaar Murray before now, but it sounds like i haven't missed much

[dyl]

I think the Ditko prog has been by far the best as it seemed a lot of research was done on it. I think this was because it was so close to Ross's heart.
The first comics Britannia was good but the second 2 have tried to cover too much in a short space of time, last nights being the worst. I know it's being picky but mentions of Dredd on his hoverbike and giving the impression that Watchmen had Batman and Superman in it just seem like lazy research. It's also the easy option to focus on Alan Moore as he is pretty well known outside of comics. I think Viz should really have been covered in the first episode as I wouldn't really count it as a sign of comics growing up.

[lordnellie]

Well I think everybody has been very forgiving of the show - i thought it was an absolute bloody travesty! It was unbelivable the way 2000ad was handled.

I felt the show was produced from the point of view of British Comics as a dead medium. To be so dismissive of a comic that has survived 30 years through the harshest of climates is sadly indicitive of the attitude towards the medium in this country.

I couldn't help visualising a 30/40 something viewer who hasn't even seen a comic for twenty years, tuning in for a nostalgia fest. What a wasted opportunity to encourage a new reader (maybe more if they have kids!) when the show made no indication that 2000ad was still going strong.

Shame!  

[Hoagy]

Alan Grant could be Sc*j* shocker, at the beginning sayin'," Dredds a fascist!"

I mean I know GrAnt feels like that but I was expecting S**** to turn up telling us all he told us so!

[Leigh S]

I wouldnt go that far lordnellie, as the show obviously had other priorities, but it did seem to speak in the past tense about 2000ad - was it Alan Grant who actually said "Dredd WAS a fascist" or somesuch, giving the impression it was dead and buried...

If you want a good doc about 2000AD, listen to the Radio 4 one

[Hoagy]

Well if he did say, was, meaning he has more complexities than originally pencilled, then it would have been nice if that was edited in.

I think, if need be, we should pressurise to make for a more skilful overview of AD, on TV.

[Peter Wolf]

 
  There is more than enough room on BBC4 for a 1 / 2
 hour docu on 2000ad if they put their minds to it just dont let them have control over the content.

 Space could be made by either disposing of or putting on hold one of their comedy? shows that they insist on churning out.

  When Frank skinner  you just knew immediately that he was not there to talk about 2000ad.How i loathe Frank Skinner.

[Hoagy]

The part where they had a celebrity fan in loving his toothouzend endie on his BMX, was nice but I would liked to have seen them use the time on modern creators talking of their time as fans. I think that would have been more important to show in the time given. Hell yes cut his exposure down to half and you could still throw in a publicity desperate droid for a scrotnig deal.

Tharg,who is, by the way, kicking ass fir the leakage of sensitive footage of him and THeN Dez Skinn comes in with complete party floorer.

Check out 30th birthday party pics on the woozit sight. Very different and I for one would like to see more and more independentantly.

[JTurner]

I'm glad that Alice in Sunderland got some proper attention - personally I love this book.

This really was 2 episodes crammed into 1. Ep 3. should have been Viz, Action, and the first 8 or so years of tooth.

Then they could have done a 4th episode on graphic novels and modern 2000AD and Tank Girl et al. I'm shocked that Neil Gaiman didn't get a mention.

As it was Viz got too much attention, Tank Girl was pretty much written off, and the more mature nature of tooth, particularly political references wasn't even covered. From what I saw, Dredd was stuck back in the 70s/ early 80s - just another kids action hero.

[Eck]

Surprised at Moore's take on what Rorshach would sound like. Didn't like it at all. I mean, fuck it, he created the guy but still, I always assumed Rorshach would be more direct and a lot quicker when he spoke.

The way Moore made him sound almost makes Rorshach's economic way with words totally redundant.

[mogzilla]

loved carlos sketching dredd especially the trademark bumpy bits.Why no john wagner? and what on earth was up with pat mills'teeth?