Watchmen update...

[Proudhuff]

Do'h missed that posting above apollies

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[James]

"a mannequin draped with the costume of Dollar Bill, one of the original Minutemen who died in an unfortunate cape accident"

Do you think the "dangerous cape" stuff from The Incredibles is a nod to Watchmen?

[TordelBack]

Most of The Incredibles can be read a nod to Watchmen - indeed, it's been described as the best possible attempt at Watchmen: The Movie.  Check out the similarities between Syndrome's masterplan and Ozymandias':.  Secret island where giant multi-legged 'threat' is designed, plan to covertly elminate retired superheroes who might interfere, faked-up assault on major city etc..  All that, and the realistic depiction of the middle-aged superhero.  

(not being serious here, but still...)

[Matt Timson]

"Do you think the "dangerous cape" stuff from The Incredibles is a nod to Watchmen?"

I always thought so.  I think John Byrne does as well- which is probably why he goes so far out of his way to moan about how terrible 'The Incredibles' is.  That particular scene is usually held up as the best example of the entire film being 'disrespectful' to the super-hero genre.

[the shutdown man]

Disrespectful? It's a damn sight better than a lot of the superhero films we've had in the last few years. (I mean as a comedy it's on it's own obviously, but if you want to look at it as a superhero film, it's miles ahead of some of the others)

[Goaty]

yeah but dont forgot some of Watchmen superheroes dont got any powers.

[TordelBack]

If by "some", you mean "all but one"...?

[Richmond Clements]

I started a reread of The Watchmen a couple of nights ago.
It really is very very good, isn't it?
What I love is, when you know the end, is just how much of it Moore reveals in the opening chapters and you don't see on the first read through.I mean...

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... chech out the Crimebusters meeting flashbacks during the funeral- it's all bloody there!

[SamuelAWilkinson]

I always thought so. I think John Byrne does as well- which is probably why he goes so far out of his way to moan about how terrible 'The Incredibles' is. That particular scene is usually held up as the best example of the entire film being 'disrespectful' to the super-hero genre.

So the Catweazle of Comics dislikes the Incredibles because they're disrespectful to the work of a man he himself ain't not no fan of?

Interesting, albeit gramatically incomprehensible.

[Tweak72]

I like John Byrne. I like the direction his stuff has explored. I like his art and writing. And I believe that he should get respect for one of the best and innovative re imagining of a major Super hero (His Superman run post crisis was and is still excellent).

However when he moans about how some other writers do things I get the feeling its more about sour grapes (not coming up with the idea first) then anything else. And I donâ??t think he should moan like he does as his Lex Luthor was and is one of the most dark and nasty characters to come out of the 80s.

[Matt Timson]

Making myself (hopefully) clearer-  Byrne dislikes Moore and his works, as well as anything that even smells like it might have anything to do with Moore and his works, or been influenced by them, because said writer and works are disrespectful to the super-hero genre.

[TordelBack]

What I love is, when you know the end, is just how much of it Moore reveals in the opening chapters and you don't see on the first read through.

It's great indeed - as you say, the funeral scene actually points the finger right there and then.  

The shock I gotthe first time  when Rorshach's mask comes off and you realise that he was the doomsday guy all along, and start flicking back and there he is, entering and exiting every scene, as plain as day.  Ditto the Gordian Knot Lock guys and the Pyramid Deliveries van.  Great stuff.

[Cthulouis]

"The shock I got the first time when ********* comes off and you realise that he was ******** all along, "

(Spoilers)


Upon rereading, I was surprised that this was revealed on the very first page, when you realise that the diary extracts are doubling up as the internal monologue of the guy wandering along through the pictures.  

[Adrian Bamforth]

There's also a cheeky bit I recall when someone's in the Gunga Diner, I think making the Rorchach ink blot on the menu, while outside the window End-Of-The-World-Guy rummages in the waste bin. The captions say something like "All the clues are there, staring you in the face, you just have to put the pieces together..."

[Floyd-the-k]

John Byrne should be in the Guiness Book of Records for missing the point by the greatest distance ever