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[Queen Firey-Bou]

yeah but acting like a dick twat is a great way of getting a reaction... negative strokes and all that

I find it sad that we only really hear from the nerve centre when its about fans being complainy arses, what about a pat on the head for all the good behavior, fun laughter, joy & happiness ?

[Dog Deever]

Too true, Bou!
I don't think i've seen many creators coming on to thank people for glowing reviews- only to complain about bad ones.

[satchmo]

Me too Bou, most of the time this board shows how vibrant and passionate 2000ADs fans are about our beloved prog. Look at the 'proud we are of all of them thread' Rebellion, do you really want to stop things like that?

The only outcomes of all this Ive seen so far are a bunch of lifelong fans being upset, and one person not reading your books anymore.

[pauljholden]

Uhm... please cite!

The only thing I can think of is the John Smith incident, and even he wasn't complaining about a bad review so much as complaining that the reviewer had already decided how the strip was going to end. (I don't agree with John's tone, but I can see what it was that upset him - though I didn't read the rest of the posts.)

For me - I don't respond to positive reviews cus I'm too British, and it feels, just a bit ... I dunno... American. Also? if I did, then I'd HAVE to respond to the negative. And I really don't see the point of responding to the negative.

(Being a thin skinned creator of course, when I read a positive review I'm thinking 'they don't know what they're talking about' and when I read a negative review I think 'he's right, I hate him' - joke!)

The only things I tend to respond to are either direct questions or to correct any assumptions (and even then, I'll try not to do that within review threads).

-pj

[pauljholden]

"The only outcomes of all this Ive seen so far are a bunch of lifelong fans being upset, and one person not reading your books anymore."

Well, I've seen a number of people put aside their online name to show their real names - which, as odd as it may seem, has made me warm to the group more.

I've also seen a number of well thought out, honest, heartfelt pleas for the forum to stay alive - which, I think, is much more representative of the group as a whole than the review/preview/any mills thread thread can be and maybe Rebellion and others need to see that to know that's how the majority of people feel.

Personally, I've also been able to get some stuff off my chest that's bothered me for some time - and, while I'm the lone creator voice in this thread (and I'm trying not to speak for all creators, since, like any group of people we are all individuals) - I know some others that feel the same way.

So, in sum: I think this thread has been particularly positive. I'm hoping some long term changes can come about that will make this forum a great place for fans and pros to mix, where the distinction between isn't them vs us - you know, like the hall of a decent British comic con.

-pj

[Leigh S]

"and, while I'm the lone creator voice in this thread "

I now await the infamous Holden/Spurrier bust up of 2008! ;)

[Richmond Clements]

like the hall of a decent British comic con.


But without the sticky heat and teenage manga fans in wierd costumes...

And I blame TrodelBack for it all- it kicked off on the day he was off getting married, so it must be his fault somehow.

[pauljholden]

*cough* oh yeah. HIM.

Also: rufus.

Sorry, got carried away there!

-pj

[satchmo]

I'm not defending him, but even S****'s rubbish has sparked some fascinating debates in the past. Nobody ever agreed with Philt about anything really, he so isn't the norm on this board.

Well if it makes Tharg not hate me, a reader week in week out since 1981, I will stop swearing and change my username to my real name.

General Sir Benjamin Clark Phd

(I may have exaggerated my CV slightly)

[Wils]

I'd hate for this place to go. So many good things have come from it; thousands of pieces interesting (and non-interesting) stuff; on and off topic, hundreds of laughs...every week, umpteen small press comics, dozens of friendships, a few relationships and, for me personally, one engagement. I'd never have met Malchi if she hadn't signed up here, and now we're rapidly approaching our 5th anniversary together. :)

Obviously there are shitty bits to the board and there have been times when quite a few of us, including me, have gone off our heads and stepped over the line. Just like 'real life'.

The problem seems to be that the very few bad things overshadow the many good when some troll or mentallist makes their presence felt. It'd be a shame if the majority of us were made to suffer for the perpetual trollings of a few nob-ends.

[Noisybast]

"I now await the infamous Holden/Spurrier bust up of 2008!"

What, no love for Al?

[pauljholden]

Gah! He derailed the thread though! (Not intentionally, granted)

Interesting that the 'pros' that have contributed here are active on the board normally (and either started on the board as 'fans' or started at alt.comics.2000Ad as 'fans')

(Also: I'm beginning to hate the fan/pro distinction. I have a day job - yeah, sometimes I draw stuff in 2000AD, but I still pay my money for week for the prog every week does that mean I'm not allowed to be a fan???? /internal monologue)

- pj

[Leigh S]

Heh - a four way super bout!

If there was a way to make people not sometimes be angry about something they are passionate about, then you could probably make the board a less negative place - how you do that i dont know.  Theres nothing in recent posts that has broken the code of conduct, and without adding "be civil, even when livid" to the code and then finding a way to enforce it, i dont see the way forward.  As Funt says, its no good having invisible lines that anyone can cross and can trigger the utter destruction of the board for everyone, no matter how nice they've palayed over the years.

[Dog Deever]

S'alright, PJ- we weren't counting you as a pro!
;D

[Wake]

I have a plan for some new content for the message board, which may help. Keep an eye out for it in a week or so.

Also, if anyone feels that someone is disrupting the board, or breaching the code of conduct, please email me and direct me to the relevant thread so I can decide whether I feel any action is needed.

Cheers,

Wake (aka Wakefield Carter)