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[Dog Deever]

Can't they just get someone else to write 86ers? I was liking that!

[Dark Jimbo]

Gordon himself said: 'Of the two ongoing 2000AD series I was writing, one of them already has a new writer, and I intend to hopefully still carry on with/tie up the other one myself.'

Which I took to mean 86ers and Cabals, respectively.

[Dog Deever]

Oh! That's good.'Anyone' know if Dom and PJ are still onboard?


AHEM...

[Bolt-01]

Dog- I believe Gordon said that of his two on-going series'; one was already with a new writer. Personally I hope that is the '86'ers, as I was enjoying that more than Cabs (Which I think has pretty much run it's course)

Bolt-01

[Bolt-01]

Bah! This thread takes too long to read...

Bolt-01

[Dog Deever]

I thought that Cabs was pretty much over too, but really Ravne and Jen are loose ends, whats left to tell may only be a few episodes, a mini-series,like has happened with the strip previously, but I was kind of looking forward to seeing what he was going to do with it. Obviously if Chapter and Verse get dragged out, it will leave a bad taste, but I think there's a little to go yet before it's done and dusted.

I'm glad someone else has been following 86ers- I was starting to think I was the only one!

[mastertsan]

How would you know if it was rubbish or not if you didn't buy it?

Surely not everyone buys each issue on blind faith?  I have a quick flick through in the comic shop or WH Smiths and if it seems to be good I buy it.  You wouldn't buy a house or a car without a peak first, or even go see a film without reading a review; why should a comic be any different?  If less people buy the issue when it is rubbish, or more people pick it up when a paricular issue is good, it speaks volumes louder than anyone proclaiming it's bollox on a message board and getting reprimanded for it.  Would artists/ writers then go and complain that people are not liking their product??  I don't think so, they would more than likely work harder to keep themselves in employment.  That is part of everyday working life that me, and I am guessing most others, have to put up with in order to be able to afford the comics, graphic novels and whatever other product, good or bad, Rebellion want us to buy.
Jon
p.s. and Bad 'I'm a serious business journalist' Andy, I don't think publishing 'Trainspotters weekly' qualifies???  hehe...

[Bongo Jack]

I liked 86ers, too, but thought it could benefit with a sustained presence in the comic, rather than intermittent 'books' or arcs, as I think the 'space war/disparate cast' is a shoo-in for a sci-fi anthology's audience.  Certainly more so than the once-omnipresent Sinister Dexter.

[pauljholden]

"And, like it or not, it smacks more and more of bullying tactics by the company."

What? one post from Matt? Since he's the only official voice of 2000AD that's said anything, I think you're reading quiet a lot into it.

-pj

[pauljholden]

"Now - when you say "that's two years of my life. In a bin.", does that mean there won't be any more 86ers?"

No, it means that the drawing of the 86ers book to you represents the 86ers but to me represents two years of my life. And it was in a bin. Nothing more complex than that.

-pj

[pauljholden]

"I dunno - that does seems a laudable stance to take, but really, you are going to get dishonest reviews that way. We've seen examples where creators have turned uip to defend their work, and basically, bad opinion tends to curl up and die in the face of being "caught out". Arguably that is good if people are being twats about the whole thing, but if they are just proffering an honest but honest negative opinion? You just end up with the negative things going unsaid, and the positives encouraged. It's human nature to want to say nice things to people faces, even if your actual opinion is someway from 'nice'. Its not the best way to review anything, even if it is the best way to make friends and influence people and have a 'happy' board. "

Good points, but the opposite is also true: where people feel they have free reign to say what they like they'll often say stuff that's overly negative/harpy or just bitchy because they can - it's far easier to vent the pressures of a day at the perceived quality of a comic strip in 2000AD.

re: specific comments - I don't think it'll serve any purpose going back over specifics, but I did reread Matt's original post - some six thousand posts ago, now, and it still seems reasonable:

"If you can't be constructive, or at least polite, in your criticisms then go off to some other corner of the internet and be needlessly rude and confrontational."

Nothing in that says you can't say you don't like the prog, Or specific work within it.


- pj

[Thursday]

One of the things I really like about this board is that, on the whole, people don't seem to get away with just randomly slagging something off.  It's not that the boarders here won't unsheathe their claws and tear into a story, but most of the criticism I've seen around these parts has been explained, backed up and justified to some degree; you're less likely to see "this was crap" than "I thought this was crap because..." followed by a detailed dissection of plot, pacing, dialogue or whatever's deemed to be at fault.  I'd go so far as to say it's been educational, as I certainly wasn't as analytical about such things before I frequented the board.

Granted, I could just be reading these threads through a rose-tinted monitor and skipping anyone who doesn't present their slagging-off in a suitably polite and eloquent manner, but in the end it's the witty, intelligent and reasoned discussion that's shaped my opinion of the board in the sweet-Odin-that's-a-lot-of years since I joined.      

[Radbacker]

holley shit thats a big one...

Well to start I'd just like to say my name is Sean Becton and I'm a board-aholic, should this board be removed my whole work schedual will go up in smoke its really the only place I like to Skive time.  I've been visiting this site for about 5 years or so under several different names bu7t have no problem using my real name I just like Radbacker as it discribes where I'm from (and looks like it matched my little box so i thought i was quite clever at that)
 
I like the mix of positive and negative reviews as it give me several different opinions some I agree with some I dont, while I dont reveiw myself (as there is a time dialation of about 8 weeks between you guys getting your prog and me getting mine) i do enjoy seeing what other people think.  That said it can be quite nasty sometimes and as mentioned by everybody on this thread a bit of reasoned thinking before you post might be in order.  
One thing the droids need to remember is that I realy dont think any of us are proffesional reviewers, we're just a bunch of zealot FANS and everybody knows what fans are like (nasty buggers sometimes).

Please rebellion dont shut this board down I love it and I've got no problem with a few new rules and boundaries.  You want to see train wrecks try joining in on any thread on Aint it Cool news, that way lies madness.

CU Sean "Radbacker" Becton

[Radbacker]

Oh and P.S to Tharg
Something you could pull from here that would look good would be the Art thread, so much talent on show and it would be great to see the winner etc shown on the letters page as readers art like the old day.

CU Sean

[Gavin_Leahy_Block]

I think people would like to feel more appreciated/acknowledged if the effort they put in daily was published in some form, even as a small side peace next to the litters.


Gavin Leahy