ABC Warriors question

[SmallBlueThing]

Right. I have the old DC-released trade of The Meknificent Seven. I have heard that it's missing a page- is that right, or am I gettng that arse-over-tit and it's the new Rebellion one that's faulty? Also, on looking through the Rebellion one, it appears to have an "Epilogue" that "was originally published in the Titan edition". Whaaaat!?!?!? Are there any more of these 2000ad strips that first appeared in Titan collections?

Also, if the new Rebellion trade IS faulty, have they been corrected? In other words, is the one that appeared on the shelf in Waterstones on Thursday likely to be okay?

And on the subject of page fuck-ups, I have all three Slaine: BoIs and I know one of them is a mental clusterfuck of pages arranged in no particular order... but can you remember which one it is, since finding out would involve a reread, and I'm not incined to do so at the moment. And and and- when buying a replacement on eBay or wherever, is there a quick way of checking that the new one is okay? Does it have a "second printing" stamp, or a "this one is actually readable" sticker or somesuch?

Lots of questions, possibly spurred on by the intense heat. My apple-ogeys.

Steev

[Mike Gloady]

Right. I have the old DC-released trade of The Meknificent Seven. I have heard that it's missing a page- is that right, or am I gettng that arse-over-tit and it's the new Rebellion one that's faulty? Also, on looking through the Rebellion one, it appears to have an "Epilogue" that "was originally published in the Titan edition". Whaaaat!?!?!? Are there any more of these 2000ad strips that first appeared in Titan collections?

Also, if the new Rebellion trade IS faulty, have they been corrected? In other words, is the one that appeared on the shelf in Waterstones on Thursday likely to be okay?

And on the subject of page fuck-ups, I have all three Slaine: BoIs and I know one of them is a mental clusterfuck of pages arranged in no particular order... but can you remember which one it is, since finding out would involve a reread, and I'm not incined to do so at the moment. And and and- when buying a replacement on eBay or wherever, is there a quick way of checking that the new one is okay? Does it have a "second printing" stamp, or a "this one is actually readable" sticker or somesuch?

Lots of questions, possibly spurred on by the intense heat. My apple-ogeys.

Steev

Appley bogies accepted Steev.  I have hives thanks to the heat - Irish skin was never meant to be exposed to temperatures above freezing.
There's a three page prologue AND a three page epilogue that bookend the new Rebellion trade and they did indeed see print originally in the Titan edition.  They simply ease you into the story and make it clear that Hammerstein is at Ro-Busters with Ro-Jaws and remembering his old war experiences.  Quartz also makes an appearance (and a suitably odious little sneck-wit he is too, even in such a brief cameo).  

I presume they were commissioned to ease readers who perhaps wasn't familiar with the Ro-Busters stuff into the narrative.  Also, without the epilogue, the story does rather seem to stop dead.

I'm not sure which versions appear to be faulty, I read my new Rebellion copy eagerly in one sitting and, to the best of my recollection, it didn't seem to be missing anything but I may be wrong (it HAS been known).

I know that's not answering all your questions, but I hope it helps.  My copies of BoI seemed fine, but maybe that's my defective brain again....

[SmallBlueThing]

So that's that sorted then- I need to get the new one. Thanks Mike- there'll be an older DC version of The Meknificent Seven up for swapperoo soon, I guess.

Okay, so, is the new Rebellion one missing a page, does anyone know? And how do I tell?

Steev
Short and sweet, cos I am almost-literally dying in the extreme heat.

[Mike Gloady]

No problem mate, hope someone can help.

[ThryllSeekyr]

by SpookyTheCat on Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:24 am

And on the subject of page fuck-ups, I have all three Slaine: BoIs

Just out of my personal interest in Slaine?

You do you mean :"Warriors Dawn", "Time Killer" and "Slaine the King".

by SpookyTheCat on Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:24 am

and I know one of them is a mental clusterfuck of pages arranged in no particular order... but can you remember which one it is, since finding out would involve a reread, and I'm not incined to do so at the moment.

Sorry, I gonna guess anyway. I know the 'Slaine the King" souveneir hardback editon with a glossy black dust cover. Which is like a copy of the Titan edition of "Warriors Dawn" which starts with slaine and Ukko wandering the sourlands and the retelling of his milatry training, his time spent inside the great cairn and the story "Sky Chariots" ending with the Slough Priest getting being utterly consumed by worms in the Dardun forest after crash landing their Cloud Curragh and then jumps to "Slaine the King" with the begining of the Formorian invasion on Slaine's tribe and his return,.. A huge chunk is left out in that one --skipping over "Dragon-Heist" "Tomb of Terror" "Time-Killer"-- and I thought it rather annoying that this was just reprint of the stuff I had seen beofre and not the stories that I'm still having trouble getting a hold of.

There's also a graphic novel called  "Slaine beyond Time" which is "Slaine, Demon Killer", "Queen of the Witchs" and "Treasures of Britain" compiled into one volume. Although these are printed in order. They still leave out some gaps in between.

I can't think of any other Slaine collections that might be out of order. Unless you have some theory that the whole Slaine time line as Pat Mills has written it is not in any real order at all. I could list a few reasons supporting this, but would rather just accept the the Slaine chronology as it's been given.

[SmallBlueThing]

Just out of my personal interest in Slaine?

You do you mean :"Warriors Dawn", "Time Killer" and "Slaine the King".

Ah, no. Slaine: Books Of Invasions. One of the hardbacks was originally printed with the pages in seemingly random order for a good portion of it. I THINK it was volume two. What I'm asking is- is there any way you can tell if a copy is "correct", or not, without actually reading.

I ask because I know where there's a lovely mint copy for a fiver, and I'd like to replace mine. But I don't want to buy unless it's the corrected version. It does say "First Published: JUly 2006" in the front- and so does mine (the messed-up version)- so I want to know if the corrected one says "second printing" or something.

Thanks for your help though Thrylly- as usual you're my "goto" guy for Slaine.

Steev

[Dark Jimbo]

There's a three page prologue AND a three page epilogue that bookend the new Rebellion trade and they did indeed see print originally in the Titan edition.  They simply ease you into the story and make it clear that Hammerstein is at Ro-Busters with Ro-Jaws and remembering his old war experiences.

I presume they were commissioned to ease readers who perhaps weren't familiar with the Ro-Busters stuff into the narrative.  Also, without the epilogue, the story does rather seem to stop dead.

It was more a case of the other way around - remember that Ro-Busters came first, and readers would only have known Hammerstein through that earlier strip.

[Mike Gloady]

There's a three page prologue AND a three page epilogue that bookend the new Rebellion trade and they did indeed see print originally in the Titan edition.  They simply ease you into the story and make it clear that Hammerstein is at Ro-Busters with Ro-Jaws and remembering his old war experiences.

I presume they were commissioned to ease readers who perhaps weren't familiar with the Ro-Busters stuff into the narrative.  Also, without the epilogue, the story does rather seem to stop dead.

It was more a case of the other way around - remember that Ro-Busters came first, and readers would only have known Hammerstein through that earlier strip.

I agree, Ro-Busters did indeed come first, but the Titan album presumably intended to reach readers who hadn't been exposed to the previous adventures of Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein.  Hence the need to start off with a little easing in rather than straight into the (glorious) action.

Although this is all presumption on my part.  That's only my thoughts on why.  Certainly a read of the storyline without the bookending chapters from the Titan albums does seem to start at running pace and stop dead, without a real conclusion.

[ThryllSeekyr]

by SpookyTheCat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:34 am

Ah, no. Slaine: Books Of Invasions. One of the hardbacks was originally printed with the pages in seemingly random order for a good portion of it. I THINK it was volume two.

Oh, I rememebr that . I actauelly ordered mine from  some trendy book store/cafe in the city. It was some palce that was hard to get to. A train trip to the city and a hike over the bridge, past the cutural centraa few  more street blocks. I told them over thephone that they should cancel my order and try re-ordering because of this slip-up at the printers. They didn't, of course and still handed me the misbound version. I didn't realise this until had a proper look through the book on the train ride home. I tired to inside the store, but it was busy at the time and this did require me to sit down and look it over myself. They wouldn't have known or done thsi for me. I as little annoyed and let them know when I got home. They told me that If I brought it back in to them. They would replace it with the one of next batch versions when they were made available. This was few weeks later. What a run around they gave me and I don't go there anymore. Today, I think I should have held on to that misbound graphic novel while forking out for another copy. It's probbably worth something.

by SpookyTheCat on Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:34 am

 What I'm asking is- is there any way you can tell if a copy is "correct", or not, without actually reading.

I think that the first pages of Tara started few pages into Scota which was at the begining of the whole book. It's pretty obvious, there were the words of title page for "TARA  either appaering right after the title page for SCOTA or it actaulley replaced those few pages of Scota while those pages were repeated in their rightful place later on in the book. I can't really be sure though. I don't have that one no more. You could check though. I pretty sure you'll notice the dicrepancy if your looking for it. even without a proper and tharough reread.