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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #15 on: 14 January, 2010, 12:37:18 PM »
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among the few things I miss from NI!

Surely not! Look at the great scandal we're having...

There's a new 'Anderson extra', basically highlights of the previous week, on at 7.30pm Mondays. And I had soda for breakfast! From a bakery, natch.

On topic...I really don't care how much they're paid to be honest. It's the entertainment industry, so if what they do isn't pulling in the punters, generally speaking they'll be off the payroll surely? See Gerry Anderson; he can be,er, an aquired taste for some but I imagine he has good listener figures for a mid morning show.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #16 on: 14 January, 2010, 12:40:00 PM »
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Surely not! Look at the great scandal we're having...

Good fun, innit?
I'm enjoying the BBC NI messageboard at the moment. Whcih is, come to think about it, another thing I don't mind paying for.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #17 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:05:40 PM »
I've only just worked out that we're not talking about the Thunderbirds guy... ::)

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #18 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:09:01 PM »
We pick up some of Channel 4s output (mainly to catch Simpsons or InBetweeners or the odd film) and a bit of Virgin (Yay for Star Trek) but other than that, it's all BBC for us.  

We barely ever touch the ITV button (Primeval excepted) it's just a loathsome channel (particulary STV).

Well worth paying for - especially as you know that the News and Documentary output is actually more likely to be News and Documentary output as opposed to "Celebrity Big Brother" (really, how do they get away with classifying this as factual output?)  and "World's Fattest Paedophile"
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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #19 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:27:35 PM »
I agree with all the positive vibes for Auntie - I'll give the Beeb a vote, no problem, especially for BBC4 (the new BBC 2!), the radio channels, Radio Ulster News + Gerry Anderson! There's plenty of choice I reckon, although I agree with Buddy on the quality issue for some of it.

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they do have a pesky bias in favour of SCIENCE over paranoid conspiracy theories.

Dan, step away from the rational, it'll do you no good here  ;)
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Let me know when you decide to start acting like intelligent adults and i will debate the topic with you but not until.

In your own time of course.........

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Like others have said and despite my grievances [which i might add are geniune and shared by millions of others] it is still value for money and the standards of the BBC generally speaking are head and shoulders above the commercial competition and there is something for everyone and i have found some very worthwhile material on it .

Any organisation is only as good as those who manage it and work in it so for the purposes of objectivity this is my opinion but i do feel that standards have slipped a bit since 2003.

« Last Edit: 14 January, 2010, 01:34:23 PM by Peter Wolf »
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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #20 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:35:29 PM »
Burn the BBC. Destroy it. Tear it down.

It uses public money to compete with commercial organisations. Its public service mandate is decades out of date and I'm convinced that many of the benefits it brings could be guaranteed by imposing legal regulations - through the franchise process - on commercial broadcasters.

Shut it down.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #21 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:37:40 PM »
See that ITV? I changed the channel name to 'Shite' on my TV. Although, just occasionally, I do enjoy the jingo of 'World's fattest peado' type stuff.

M.

Edit to add - Peter, no need to be condescending. I could go for a long winded reply, but I thought you would take the comment as intended i.e. lighthearted. I'll know again.
« Last Edit: 14 January, 2010, 01:45:01 PM by Mikey »
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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #22 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:44:25 PM »
I'm convinced that many of the benefits it brings could be guaranteed by imposing legal regulations - through the franchise process - on commercial broadcasters.

Did you miss the part where the commercial free-to-air business model is dead on its feet? Kill the BBC and you'll end up with Sky. That's it. If you think the nation wouldn't be poorer under that scenario, you're wrong in the head!

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #23 on: 14 January, 2010, 01:44:58 PM »
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We barely ever touch the ITV button (Primeval excepted) it's just a loathsome channel (particulary STV).

The only thing I watch on ITV is TV Burp (which itself suffers from having to cover an inordinate amount of tedious ITV programmes!) , and apparently Harry Hill is upping sticks from the channel very soon.

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many of the benefits it brings could be guaranteed by imposing legal regulations - through the franchise process - on commercial broadcasters.

I suspect you're being contrary to fire debate - but I'll bite. Couldn't disagree more - it would be a disaster. With respect to American TV (they do produce the best dramatic TV in the world) but watch X Factor, really watch it. See how gaudy it is. Everything about it - especially the US style insanely quick editing, the constant repetition, the frequent, long ad breaks -  that's what all TV shows will be like in a few years time if the BBC goes belly up.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #24 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:00:53 PM »
I'd drop the BBC like a hot turd. In the days of 3 channels it had a point. Now it doesnt.

only things I use the bbc for?

Doctor Who - Well if the BBC shut or went commercial we'd only get MORE Doctor Who because it is popular and would make money. Plus the budgets would reflect the revenues it makes and it would get better.

Mock the Week - For Frankie Boyle... oh, he's gone because the BBC are too scared of complaint letters from blue rinse ladies. So dont watch that any more

Jonathan Ross on Radio 2 and the Film show - kaput.

Seriously, dont think there is a single other thing I watch on the BBC now. And the stuff I have done like Mighty Boosh and League of Gentlemen I buy on dvd anyway and while they did start on BBC both were established live acts anyway who would have popped up on some other station if not.

Oh, I take it back - The Thick of It. Thats a BBC3 show. Love it enough that again I bought the dvd's. Still think in a non BBC world it would have found a home

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #25 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:14:44 PM »
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Oh, I take it back - The Thick of It. Thats a BBC3 show. Love it enough that again I bought the dvd's. Still think in a non BBC world it would have found a home

I sincerely doubt it. The BBC has a long tradition of nurturing talent - pretty much all the shows you mention began life on Radio 4, where their writers and performers honed their skills before graduating on to TV. Even The Thick Of It has it's roots in On the Hour - the early incarnation of The Day Today. Would any other broadcaster take a chance on the likes of Chris Morris or Armando Ianucci? No BBC = No BrassEye, No Alan Partridge, No The Thick Of It - simple as that.

Maybe some of these talents would have found a way onto the screen regardless - but there's no way on earth we'd have such a polished, high quality end product.

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« Reply #26 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:29:09 PM »
only things I use the bbc for?

The point about the BBC is that it's not just about what YOU (or any individual or group) use it for. Listeners of radio 1 are unlikely to listen to radio 3; people who need the shipping forecast may not care about Match of the Day; fans of the mighty Boosh are unlikely to watch Songs of Praise.

The brilliant thing about the BBC is that produces a huge range of different services, on TV and radio, at local, national and international level, everything from kids telly to sport to comedy to drama to news and documentaries, not to mention the diverse raft of radio stations. No commercial broadcaster would do all this. Without the beeb we'd end up with dozens of channels competing for the popular and marketable things, such as comedy and drama, with tiny underfunded niche channels producing more specialist content, and then all the vital public seervices such as the shiping forecast would end up being government subsidised anyway. We'd have hundreds of channels of identical, middle-of-the-road crowd-pleasing shite.

Oh and the joy of watching telly without adverts! (apart form the ever-multiplying in-house ads for other programmes - but at least they don't interrupt a film a dozen times with these!)

I think it's days are sadly numbered, but we'll only appreciate what a fantastic thing it is once it's gone.
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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #27 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:32:52 PM »
Possibly. I dunno. I think if there were no BBC something would come up to take its place. I just feel that high quality stuff should be self sustaining and not need subsidising.
Make the BBC channels a premium package. If you want it, you pay for it like you would Sky Sports. If you dont, you shouldnt HAVE to.
For the hour, if that, I watch a week I resent paying money to keep Eastenders, Top Gear and Fame Academy on the air. The BBC seems to think its like the Health Service or something. Its not essential, its entertainment. If it cant self sustain it should die off.
You know.. like ballet  (but dont tell the wife I said that)   :P

And on Dan's note (forum just told me he posted as I was typing this) - if I'M being asked to pay for a tv channel then it IS about me. I dont pay for sky sports, I dont watch sport. It would be stupid to ask me to. Whats the difference with the BBC? I watch the BBC sometimes because its there. If Sky Sports was free I'd probably watch the odd football game if Cardiff were playing as well. If I was told I could keep the money and not be able to get the BBC I would.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #28 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:41:53 PM »

For the hour, if that, I watch a week I resent paying money to keep Eastenders, Top Gear and Fame Academy on the air. The BBC seems to think its like the Health Service or something. Its not essential, its entertainment.

But it's not just entertainment, is it? It performs educational services, community services. Why do you think all the commercial TV stations abandoned local news programming as soon they were no longer mandated to provide it by the terms of their license? Because it costs a fortune and there's no return in it.

As I said at the top of this thread, I absolutely view the license fee as a social tax: the BBC is part of the fabric of what makes Britain the nation it is and insisting that you should only have to pay for the bits of it that interest you is incredibly short-sighted.

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Re: The Big British Castle
« Reply #29 on: 14 January, 2010, 02:58:09 PM »
See that ITV? I changed the channel name to 'Shite' on my TV. Although, just occasionally, I do enjoy the jingo of 'World's fattest peado' type stuff.

M.

Edit to add - Peter, no need to be condescending. I could go for a long winded reply, but I thought you would take the comment as intended i.e. lighthearted. I'll know again.

My comment was a reply to your reply to DDD which came across as a loaded comment rather than a lighthearted comment.
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