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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1665 on: 04 May, 2011, 11:07:24 PM »
just broad-stroke ideals and the reality is much more complex.


Too complex for a democratic sytem which says 51% can tell the other 49% what to do.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1666 on: 04 May, 2011, 11:15:20 PM »
Exactly. We need something more. Democracy 2.0?
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1667 on: 04 May, 2011, 11:38:58 PM »
Exactly. We need something more. Democracy 2.0?


Democracy: government in which all citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives and the lives of others, this to me is unworkable and a total paradox.  Proper community based consensualism and sustainability is where it starts. It must be grown from the base but no one way should be totally prescriptive as each state will have different needs and resources.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1668 on: 04 May, 2011, 11:44:06 PM »
I agree 100%. Decisions should be made at a local level with the government acting as nothing more than facilitators or co-ordinators. Put the power - and the responsibility - back where it belongs.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1669 on: 04 May, 2011, 11:55:34 PM »
Consensus in action!

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1670 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:04:42 AM »
I sense an embryonic new coalition in the making...
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1671 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:11:43 AM »
How about somebody tells me what democracy means?

Surely, one person, one vote on every issue is not just unworkable but actually undesirable. The logical step is to devolve the decision making process to a smaller, specialised group, no?
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1672 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:11:58 AM »
Can you imagine how even more brilliant it would be if we were drunk!

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1673 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:14:09 AM »
Surely, one person, one vote on every issue is not just unworkable but actually undesirable. The logical step is to devolve the decision making process to a smaller, specialised group, no?


That's why consensus is the better alternative, at a basic level if you agree on something with others it's a collective in pursuit of that objective, those who don't agree have no obligation to be a part of but don't get the benefit of the achievment either; of course there are flexibilities within any situation.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1674 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:22:38 AM »
A network of democracy rather than a pyramid.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1675 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:27:50 AM »
Not democracy, consensus. Democracy is a system of "rule by the governed" which is paradoxical and means constraining the individual via other individuals which leads to cronyism and hierarchy. Take rule and governed out of the equation.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1676 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:36:53 AM »
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always wins

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1677 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »
No it's not, it's truth.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1678 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:49:19 AM »
Consensus?

Obama's just made an executive decision not to release any photos/footage to confirm Bin Laden's demise.

Here's a hypothetical situation:

Wikileaks, does its thing and gets the photos online by the end of the month. The US administration has a wee hissy fit, but there's not much they can do about it, wikileaks are just publishing extra media about a story that was already public knowledge.

So now instead of deferring to Obama's executive privilege, people can choose for themselves, whether or not they want/need to see a corpse.

The internet is all about consensus (when its not about trolling/spamming)
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #1679 on: 05 May, 2011, 12:54:36 AM »
The internet is the beginning of the end of corporate (both economic and political) power.
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