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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17430 on: 17 September, 2020, 04:17:29 PM »
I think the election offer from Labour was fine: “we’ll get a better deal then give you the choice”. There were two problems. The first was that, even by that point, Labour couldn’t bring itself to say “single market membership”, meaning that unless it was going for the mother of all fudges, it wouldn’t have got much more than May. Secondly, it took fucking ages to get to that point—and by then not enough people really trusted Labour.

There were a couple of short periods far earlier in this process where Corbyn’s Labour, had it not been unduly influenced by the likes of Len McCluskey, might have been able to “get Brexit done” by offering May a large bloc of votes. If nothing else, even this showcases that Labour’s coalition is far more fragile and problematic than the Conservative one. It needs PR to split in two and then reform for government. But it fights against PR because it still labours under the misapprehension that there is a path to a majority Labour government.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17431 on: 17 September, 2020, 07:18:14 PM »
No argument from me about McCluskey. He badly needed to sit the fuck down, and shut the fuck up.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17432 on: 17 September, 2020, 08:29:41 PM »
He’d be more at home in the DUP than Labour. Loves the idea of an ultra-hard Brexit, but can’t articulate why beyond FORRINERS STAELING YOUR JOBZ

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17433 on: 17 September, 2020, 09:22:57 PM »
He’d be more at home in the DUP than Labour. Loves the idea of an ultra-hard Brexit, but can’t articulate why beyond FORRINERS STAELING YOUR JOBZ

See also: Kate Hooey. What the fuck was she ever doing in the bloody Labour Party in the first place…?
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17434 on: 19 September, 2020, 09:19:24 AM »
RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Now we get to see the rank hypocrisy of the GoP in action, again, and how the Orange President can minimalise her sterling service and make it all about him. Fuck 2020.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17435 on: 19 September, 2020, 10:53:52 AM »
Aye, and there’s a distinct worry that if he gets a replacement in ahead of the elections, and then disputes an ejection result that doesn’t fall in his favour, it’ll go to the SC (see Gore vs Bush) and the balance of power means he’ll just walk into office again. Aside from everything she stood for, losing her right now is the worst possible thing that could have happened to the US re their election.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17436 on: 19 September, 2020, 11:09:57 AM »
Current numbers are 53/47. Two GOP already said they won’t confirm. 51/49. What’s the betting one more finds a conscience (50/50) and so the deadlock is broken by Pence? Checks and balances!

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17437 on: 19 September, 2020, 11:12:46 AM »
losing her right now is the worst possible thing that could have happened to the US re their election.

Remember, of course, that Mitch McConnell refused to allow Obama to appoint a Supreme Court seat because he was only a year away from an election. I'll bet cold hard cash that he won't apply the same precedent to Trump when he's two months away from an election.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17438 on: 19 September, 2020, 11:21:16 AM »
He’s already said he won’t—has vowed to “move forward quickly”. He’s fucked if two more GOP find a conscience, but I suspect that’s vanishingly unlikely to happen.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17439 on: 19 September, 2020, 05:13:30 PM »

A friend's 13yo daughter was barred entry into a fast food franchise unless she signed up to a contact tracing app earlier today.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17440 on: 19 September, 2020, 05:51:01 PM »
Mankind does nothing of consequence with its freedom.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17441 on: 19 September, 2020, 05:52:28 PM »


I think good health is better.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17442 on: 19 September, 2020, 06:02:12 PM »
If you must insist on using a feckin fast food franchise as the yardstick of our freedom, I would counter that said teenager is free to take her business elsewhere. In fact, if the government stepped in and told this fast food franchise they weren’t allowed to do what they liked on their own privately owned property? That would be a horrific restriction of freedom.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17443 on: 19 September, 2020, 06:11:23 PM »
Too many people confusing inconvenience and restricted choice with oppression

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #17444 on: 19 September, 2020, 07:46:25 PM »
Too many people confusing inconvenience and restricted choice with oppression

I’m concerned about reactionary right-wing governments, like our own, using this whole Covid mess as a pretext for seizing more power, but at the same time we have to recognise that inconvenience is a small price to pay for keeping a potentially horrific death toll down.
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