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Started by a chosen rider, 12 July, 2012, 11:37:29 AM

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Syne

Wait, you mean that Alex Jones??

In other news: Crazy guy on corner reveals Obama is brain eating cannibal. Opinion on Dredd movie forthcoming.


SmallBlueThing

To be honest, the only thing that's massively wrong with that article (aside from 35 being "nearly 50") is that "the comics started off as satire but are now played straight", or words to that effect. If that were the case, I'd certainly not be reading Dredd anymore. I have always taken Dredd (and much of 2000AD's output, to be honest) to be one long protracted scream of "Americans- STOP! OR THIS WILL HAPPEN!".

My worry, on reading the script for the movie, was that the satire was almost entirely missing and we had a straightforward action movie that did indeed suggest that this future was inevitable and only "heroes" like the "elite cop" Dredd would be of any use. Some of that worry has been alleviated somewhat by the comments people have made since it premiered. Or "premiered", possibly. But there still seems to be an awful lot of "Whoa, it's really violent and action packed and Dredd rocks!" as opposed to "what a horrible place to live, Dredd's a bastard."- which is what I expect from a good adaptation of the strip.

The mere subject matter of the film and comic strip will always attract the criticism of people for whom this kind of thing is an appalling indication of how our culture is progressing. I'd much rather have this kind of mid-brow article- which will have a very small audience of people agreeing with it, who are not smart enough to check the facts or form their own opinions- than the inevitable Christopher Tookey 'Dredd' review... which I believe we should start a thread dedicated to right now, with a prize awarded to whoever gets the closest to its spittle-drenched madness, and which will reach millions of thickies.

SBT
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darnmarr

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 19 July, 2012, 11:29:13 AM
To be honest, the only thing that's massively wrong with that article (aside from 35 being "nearly 50") is that "the comics started off as satire but are now played straight", or words to that effect. If that were the case, I'd certainly not be reading Dredd anymore. I have always taken Dredd (and much of 2000AD's output, to be honest) to be one long protracted scream of "Americans- STOP! OR THIS WILL HAPPEN!".

My worry, on reading the script for the movie, was that the satire was almost entirely missing and we had a straightforward action movie that did indeed suggest that this future was inevitable and only "heroes" like the "elite cop" Dredd would be of any use. Some of that worry has been alleviated somewhat by the comments people have made since it premiered. Or "premiered", possibly. But there still seems to be an awful lot of "Whoa, it's really violent and action packed and Dredd rocks!" as opposed to "what a horrible place to live, Dredd's a bastard."- which is what I expect from a good adaptation of the strip...
The words to that effect are: "...The initial comic may have started life as a satire, but by now the storyline is increasingly presented with deadly seriousness..." Those words are inaccurate of course, not only about where the story is now, but also about where it started; when you look back at the progs, the earlier stories, ( while they are not 'presented with deadly seriousness' ) are hardly satirical: they provide a comic-reading child with a 'guy in the future with a cool bike and gun who always gets the baddies' which is great, but no satire.
The satire crept in slowly, in increments.
Somebody on some Youtube vid* described the movie as 'an episode', which is a nice indicator of the Dredd film solidly establishing a franchise with legs, & If that comes to pass, then perhaps, ( as Dredd and his world develop in the minds of his new audience,) then the satire can develop too.

For me, the 'Peach Trees' script always read like the 'Judge Whitey' story from prog : it establishes a future-cop ( with a cool gun and bike ) up against  some low-level creeps: that's all you need to know to begin with...I reckon that the satire should come in slowly as it did in the script: –
because "one long protracted scream of "Americans- STOP! OR THIS WILL HAPPEN!"
in the first Dredd film would probably come across as preachy and, ( in the genre of dystopian sci-fi,) completely unoriginal, at the moment.

I think of Dredd as episode one, and I think if we get more movies we will get more satire, ( the creative team have shown such a solid grasp of what makes Judge Dredd work so far I don't think it's overly-optimistic to presume that that's the intention ).
If we do, then it's gonna be subtle: subtle is best, I reckon.

Syne

It might not come across especially strongly in that article, but Jones is a conspiracy nut with a questionable grip on reality. Not quite shape-changing-lizard grade, but getting there. His "review" may even boost ticket-sales slightly, as his followers scrutinise Dredd for any Illuminati symbolism.

CYCLOPZ

I'm sure this John Wagner interview has been posted but I haven't seen
it [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-poxzZW1rQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url:]


JOE SOAP

Quote from: Syne on 19 July, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
It might not come across especially strongly in that article, but Jones is a conspiracy nut with a questionable grip on reality. Not quite shape-changing-lizard grade, but getting there. His "review" may even boost ticket-sales slightly, as his followers scrutinise Dredd for any Illuminati symbolism.


Jones didn't right it, but it was chosen for his site.

JOE SOAP


Fisticuffs

Rotten Tomatoes reviews have jumped to 8, and it's still at 100%. :D

The Sherman Kid

Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 20 July, 2012, 08:26:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-poxzZW1rQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fixed

WOW.Thanks for that.Great interview.Just as a few of us thought ,he didn't tell the powers that be exactly where he was going with DoC, so maybe their still in shock  :o :lol:.I think the new writers still need to get to grip and feel for the new reality he's created.It is like Dredd has been rebooted.

Very pleased to here the guy behind Drive is involved with Buttonman ,an excellent film, bodes very well indeed for the future.

Durendal

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2012, 12:30:47 AM
If you ever need evidence that Alex Jones and his cohorts are idiots -or pretend to be- look no further:

New Judge Dredd May Be Most Despicable Superhero Yet:


http://www.infowars.com/new-judge-dredd-may-be-most-despicable-superhero-yet/




Previous slavering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTOzEFbXLU
Is infowars a euphemism for tinfoil hat bullshit JFK conspiracy theorists

Misanthrope


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Is infowars a euphemism for tinfoil hat bullshit JFK conspiracy theorists

No, they are tinfoil hat bullshit JFK conspiracy theorists.
Did you know Christ was a werewolf?

PreacherCain

Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 20 July, 2012, 05:32:35 PM

Very pleased to here the guy behind Drive is involved with Buttonman ,an excellent film, bodes very well indeed for the future.

I didn't realise Winding-Refn had gone after the film, thought it had just been offered to him as a possibility. Interesting :P  Ryan Gosling as Harry Exton seems more likely now!

CYCLOPZ


Dirty Sanchez

http://www.comediva.com/judge-andersons-fashion-tips

Anderson's getting a thumbs up from the feminists.

This may be a bit of an esoteric observation but my personal feeling is that the Dredd movie will help spearhead the incipient backlash against the Chainmail Bikini trope in fantasy and sci-fi and get a lot more girls into playing video games n' shit.