Who'd like to see a real Judge Dredd toy line?

[COMMANDO FORCES]

The problem will always be that people say they will buy the items but they always come out with a reason not to if such an item comes out.

A few years ago an artist showed 2 covers that he would make into prints to be sold to the fans. A few people on here said they would definitely buy B, while I was always going for A (it was Dredd). Come KAPOW, when myself and Mr Wells picked up our prints, we asked where the other print was. His reply was that no-one had contacted him for one.

A small but relevant anecdote, as of all the places to guarantee a few sales, you would think this forum would be it.

Even though I'd love loads of new Dredd stuff, I can see why firms would be cautious.

[Jo-L]

You an artist? You ever had one of your pictures show up randomly with no credit on the internet? It's the whole "oh who cares about the artist behind the picture because internet lol" culture that makes nearly every joe-ballbag think that all artists do work for free - and that maybe, because they haven't been able to find the artist, they can print it off and sell it (under new copyright laws that's pretty much legal now). I'm not saying if you see an image you want to share you track down the artist and send them money I'm just saying at least find out who bloody did it and credit them. With Google image search (for example) it would take seconds. That's all it takes, a thought and a second.

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Also sorry Steve yes there's no mass market for very specific 2000ad action figures per se although 3a and specialist statue people must do alright off 'em. Also I think Dredd (2012) is a culty enough film to get a figure down the line, surely? Look at all the cult films from the eighties that have loads of action figures now.

So, like I said... I get it, though I still don't necessarily agree.  And no, I am not an artist who would have to worry about such things.  Not trying to argue the point at all, but I'm curious: do you have a problem with Pinterest?

I am a bit surprised that there weren't any Dredd 3D toys made, even if in very low numbers.  Did I just miss them? 

It seems to me that in a short amount of time, we'll be able to design and share designs for super-articulated custom figures that we can just create at home with 3d printers.  I don't see any reason why those figures won't be just as good as the ones from Hasbro or Mattel.  I'd imagine there will be a slew of 2000 AD figures available then.

[Steve Green]

There was virtually no Dredd 3D merchandise. Bootleg casts of props turned up, and DNA turned a blind eye.

Yes it's possible that 3D printers would allow people to make their own, but you still need sculptors/modellers who are willing to make the things, and then what?

It's still unlicensed product, so they can risk getting shut down by the IP holder for trying to sell the model, or have action taken if they released a model for free for others to 3D print. (There's also the matter that some companies might be reluctant to touch copyrighted material)

If it's going to affect what Rebellion can make, and also passed on to creators (however small that is) then I don't see them just sitting there and doing nothing.

[Jo-L]

Yes it's possible that 3D printers would allow people to make their own, but you still need sculptors/modellers who are willing to make the things, and then what?

It's still unlicensed product, so they can risk getting shut down by the IP holder for trying to sell the model, or have action taken if they released a model for free for others to 3D print. (There's also the matter that some companies might be reluctant to touch copyrighted material)

If it's going to affect what Rebellion can make, and also passed on to creators (however small that is) then I don't see them just sitting there and doing nothing.

I think what will happen is that there will be models created by enthusiastic hobbyists, and freely distributed around the internet.  there's probably a whole community of hobbyist modelers already busy at work right now.  Clearly selling anything that was based off of copyrighted IP (or an artists original work) would be infringement.  I kind of see this sort of thing like the Judge Minty fan film.  Not sure Rebellion would see it that way necessarily though.

[Bubba Zebill]

I don't really have an issue with it personally, unless the site is trying to in any way profit from the image.

You an artist? You ever had one of your pictures show up randomly with no credit on the internet? It's the whole "oh who cares about the artist behind the picture because internet lol" culture that makes nearly every joe-ballbag think that all artists do work for free - and that maybe, because they haven't been able to find the artist, they can print it off and sell it (under new copyright laws that's pretty much legal now). I'm not saying if you see an image you want to share you track down the artist and send them money I'm just saying at least find out who bloody did it and credit them. With Google image search (for example) it would take seconds. That's all it takes, a thought and a second.

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Also sorry Steve yes there's no mass market for very specific 2000ad action figures per se although 3a and specialist statue people must do alright off 'em. Also I think Dredd (2012) is a culty enough film to get a figure down the line, surely? Look at all the cult films from the eighties that have loads of action figures now.



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[Steve Green]

Yes it's possible that 3D printers would allow people to make their own, but you still need sculptors/modellers who are willing to make the things, and then what?

It's still unlicensed product, so they can risk getting shut down by the IP holder for trying to sell the model, or have action taken if they released a model for free for others to 3D print. (There's also the matter that some companies might be reluctant to touch copyrighted material)

If it's going to affect what Rebellion can make, and also passed on to creators (however small that is) then I don't see them just sitting there and doing nothing.

I think what will happen is that there will be models created by enthusiastic hobbyists, and freely distributed around the internet.  there's probably a whole community of hobbyist modelers already busy at work right now.  Clearly selling anything that was based off of copyrighted IP (or an artists original work) would be infringement.  I kind of see this sort of thing like the Judge Minty fan film.  Not sure Rebellion would see it that way necessarily though.

You are on very shaky ground with anyone else's IP - we only made Minty because we checked with Rebellion first and didn't take anything for granted.

I've seen propmakers pushing the boundaries by doing 'Brit-cit' versions of the movie costume, even to the point of someone claiming 'it's their copyright' because they came up with some slight variation on the badge.

I doubt Rebellion would see it quite that way.

[Frank]

Clearly selling anything that was based off of copyrighted IP (or an artists original work) would be infringement.

... and that's why no-one distributes or downloads illegal copies of music on the internet.

[Jo-L]

Clearly selling anything that was based off of copyrighted IP (or an artists original work) would be infringement.

... and that's why no-one distributes or downloads illegal copies of music on the internet.

And that's kind of the thing right, are silly old copyrights really going to stop people from creating these things in their own homes?  Not speaking for myself personally, but i'm gonna guess that people are gonna do it regardless.  People are already creating custom GI Joe and Star Wars action figures all the time - it's a thing.  I have no idea how Hasbro feels about it.

I also have no ideas what the laws are on this topic either here in the US, or in the UK.

[Richmond Clements]

I also have no ideas what the laws are on this topic either here in the US, or in the UK.

Doesn't seem to have stopped you though...

Tell you what - next week when you go to work, tell your boss you don't want paid. Y'know, those silly old employment laws...

[TordelBack]

I think what will happen is that there will be models created by enthusiastic hobbyists, and freely distributed around the internet.  there's probably a whole community of hobbyist modelers already busy at work right now. 

Well indeed, ThePirateBay* currently has a 'physibles' section for 3D-printable wotsits, and has done for some time. 

Looking at a more established sub-culture, there are hordes of hobbyist modellers churning out gaming miniature greens even as we speak (a much smaller number of those sculptors are genuinely good, but some really are), some of them of licensed properties poorly represented elsewhere, but even though the marginal cost of casting additional figures once an expensive mould is made for personal use is *relatively* low, they aren't giving the cast products away.  With 3D printing the model can be distributed for free and the individual recipient can incur the costs of the printing themselves (note: it ain't free). 

It's hard to see how this can possibly be either monetised or policed, any more than any other arm of file-sharing can be. 

However, I suspect you may be waiting a good long while yet for a high-quality fan-made free-to-print 3 3/4" Dredd to bring your Darth Vader to book.

And just wait until you see what staggering levels tax on 3D printers and materials will reach once your government catches up with their potential.



*Which is of course barred by my internet provider, in accordance with Irish law. Did that stop me having a look to see how 3D stuff was going?  It did not. 

[Jo-L]

I also have no ideas what the laws are on this topic either here in the US, or in the UK.

Doesn't seem to have stopped you though...

Tell you what - next week when you go to work, tell your boss you don't want paid. Y'know, those silly old employment laws...

So... I haven't done anything - other than conjecture what is probably going to happen once 3D printers become pervasive.  I don't have one of the things, and hadn't really thought about buying one anytime soon.  Now if it becomes a thing (which i never really considered) that would be frowned upon by the copyright holders, than that's going to become an ethical issue, and I'd suspect I'd respect the copyright holsders wishes. 

[Jo-L]

And that's kind of the thing right, are silly old copyrights really going to stop people from creating these things in their own homes?  Not speaking for myself personally, but i'm gonna guess that people are gonna do it regardless.  People are already creating custom GI Joe and Star Wars action figures all the time - it's a thing.  I have no idea how Hasbro feels about it.

@Richmond Clements - This was intended to sarcastic.   

[SuperSurfer]

Guys, guys, it's 'collectable action figure character replica sculpts' or something like that.

"Toys?" What is the world going to think about us?

[dubster]

Just saw this thread, and decided to hear your opinions guys, my custom work, probably even somebody will be interested:

Dredd Custom Figurine, Classic 1995 Judge Dredd Stallone Movie Inspired, "I Am The Law":




http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLASSIC-JUDGE-DREDD-CUSTOM-FIGURINE-STATUE-STALONNE-NOT-SIDESHOW-DIORAMA-2000-AD-/171199134925

Thanks in advance!

[von Boom]

I'd love to see a Dredd toy collectible figure line. To bad someone couldn't do a pre-order scheme like they do many war-games. X number of pre-orders needed before the piece goes into production.