Any ideas on the number of Judges in Mega City One.

[ZenArcade]

Ok, I'm gonna start off a thread with the above, which I'm sure has been done to death on this site: but I'm new, indulge me.
I'll start it off with my two bits worth.
In 2099 the pop was 800,000,000; in 2104 - 400,000,000 and bar various disasters such as Necropolis, Judgement Day etc the population stayed roughly the same until Day of Chaos when it dropped to 50,000,000.
Now the only real indications I have of Judge numbers are from around mid 80's to mid 90's when there were approx 300 and something Sectors with one Sector house per Sector. I think the Judge complement per Sector House was approx 300 giving a total of 90,000. Now I'll throw in stand alone groupings such as the Grand Hall of Justice, Academy, Tec, Psi, PSU, West Wall, Space corps etc and be generous and add 40 - 60,000, giving a total of say 150,000 before Day of Chaos. We were told after Day of Chaos that pop had dropped by 75 - 80% and that Judge numbers had dropped by 60%+. That in my estimation should leave approx 50,000 Judges and a corresponding amount of auxiliaries (not even counting recalled marines and other militarized groupings within Justice Department).
Now in say 2119 (off the top of my head) the proportion of Judges to cits would have been approx 1 - 2600.
In present day post Day of Chaos Mega City One the proportion should be 1 Judge to 1000+ cits.
Does my Math: a. Work out and b. if it's anywhere near the mark, what are the Judges whinging about (apart from the  staggering death toll amongst the population on their watch); surely from a totally clinical point of view (and if nothing else we are told Judges are selected and trained to be almost super humanly objective and emotionally and physically tough) the Judges job is much easier now as they have more resources to expend per citizen.

I am subject to correction in my calculations but again indulge me.

[Trout]

Nine.

[Dark Jimbo]

ZenArcade, you're our kind of people.

[Frank]

Ok, I'm gonna start off a thread with the above, which I'm sure has been done to death on this site: but I'm new, indulge me ... Now in say 2119 (off the top of my head) the proportion of Judges to cits would have been approx 1 - 2600. In present day post Day of Chaos Mega City One the proportion should be 1 Judge to 1000+ cits.

You're right, the mighty TordelBack attempted just such a feat not long after Chaos Day, in a thread which I seem currently unable to find.

The essential point is one we can probably all agree upon; that the loss of half the population but only a smaller loss in Justice Department personnel means that old chestnut about the authoritarian rule and brutal methods employed by the judges being necessary because law enforcement was faced with such overwhelming numbers concentrated in such a relatively small area no longer applies in the same way it could be argued it once did. Interesting to see where that one might lead, given the enthusiasm for questioning received wisdom which led Dredd to force the issue of mutant integration ...

[Dandontdare]

Nine.

He's not wrong y'know...

[Richard]

(apart from the  staggering death toll amongst the population on their watch)

Well, yes, apart from that.

[Dark Jimbo]

Ok, I'm gonna start off a thread with the above, which I'm sure has been done to death on this site...

You're right, the mighty TordelBack attempted just such a feat not long after Chaos Day, in a thread which I seem currently unable to find.

First there was this behemoth - an attempt to determine the pre-DoC population, which often included references to judge numbers - http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,21095.0.html

Then we were more specific about it here - http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=30633.0

Finally the attempt was embarked upon once more in the wake of DoC, which contains Tord's aforementioned estimations of current judge numbers - http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=39264.0

[Trout]

Nine.

He's not wrong y'know...

That only shows eight of them, of course. The ninth judge nipped out to the bog.

[ZenArcade]

Dark Jumbo, thanks for the links, really informative.
Ken Trousers, hilarious
Richard, I was just being systematic

[ZenArcade]

Sorry Dark Jimbo re the Dark Jumbo typo, I'm having serious jip with thepredictive text on this Amazon Fire Tablet.....work properly ye jury rigged b*****d!

[IndigoPrime]

the Judges job is much easier now as they have more resources to expend per citizen

Most of whom are at best in shock and grieving, in a half-destroyed city, lacking resources and desperate. And there's little or no replacement—the Academy of Law is gone, and so Judges getting gunned down are not being replenished. Manpower might be up (for now) but the circumstances are far more dire than they've been for the majority of the strip's run, certain epics notwithstanding.

[TordelBack]

As the Great Waits once wrote, 'been round the block so many times I'm feeling carsick'.

Which is by way of saying I can't commit to this thread, even though the spirit is willing.  Best of luck with your calculations, and remember to always carry the Justice 1.

[ZenArcade]

Indigo Prime, you make some very valid observations, in particular concerning the Academy's irreplacability. But I'm still not convinced.
You correctly point out the trauma inflicted on Street Judges. Certainly in the Cold Deck story, Dredd muses on 20 year Judges (I think) crying. But again given the training they've underwent they should quickly subordinate this emotion and as Dredd said keep waving the stick. The citizenry cowed, cold, hungry should if any thing easier controlled. What happened after this irrespective of the scale is at heart a disaster management issue and Justice Department, who, after all it has under went since its inception would seem to be an organisation well attuned to tasks of this nature.
The immediate disaster relief from other Mega City's would ameliorate the initial food/medical/shelter requirements.
The City's infrastructure damage whilst widespread would be quickly repaired (or at least the smaller areas required to house a denuded populace) given 22nd century technology and the automated nature of labour within Mega City One.
In terms of the short term law enforcement difficulties (as you point out Judge numbers are up), getting PSU going again would be a priority; in terms of mid to long requirements, it would appear steps such as external Judge recruitment meets some of the needs. In the longer term the Academy would have been immediately re-established and would be putting out Judges within at most 15 years or one can visualise sooner if accelerated training with mass utilisation of clones were used. By this I don't even mean accelerated growth (however doable that is), but from the sense that you're taking less of a chance of a tried and tested strain not working out.
This is all beside the point, as has been pointed out earlier by Sauchie, there is a smaller population, more space, potentially more infrastructure and resource can be directed at this population (the best case scenario) or the resources of Justice Department with their experience and adaptability can be brought to bear on a smaller number of citizens (the worst scenario).
Again I point out that I'm new to this forum and spent many years away from the joys of this comic and accordingly am open to correction.

[TordelBack]

..but from the sense that you're taking less of a chance of a tried and tested strain not working out.

Like Fargo's, you mean?  I'm seeing that one as 2 runs from 6 balls.  Oh alright, I suppose Dredd and Rico II are both boundaries, but Kraken clearly beat up the umpire's granny.

(not getting involved very busy not getting involved very busy not getting etc.)

[ZenArcade]

  TordelBack
Dredd - worked out ok
RICO 1 - not so hot
Kraken - a rum cove I'll agree
RICO 2 - happy days
Dolman - Prodigal son, but a good egg
The wee classier in that Unanium city do hickey - not her fault
At least 5 or 6 others - jury's out.
I don't know what the attrition rate's like for non clones (I'd say it's high); so you're running a not too bad rate from old Eustaces progeny.