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2000AD stories - with artists changes half way.

Started by Goaty, 14 March, 2014, 07:58:19 PM

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Goaty

As I am read Judge Dredd The Complete Case File 22 tonight, as never read the issues of it on the date it out years ago;

I was about to read The Exterminator, the start with John Burns's was so great, then change of artist. it looks get poor with new artist, and stop read it. Will re-read it tomorrow but I do wonder if John Burns okay at the time when it was in production?

I remember there are few stories that got changes of artists, I never knew the reason as;

Samantha Slade
Book 2 and Book 3 of The Ten-Seconders
Book 2 of Judge Dredd: Mandroid
Breathing Space
I wonder if there other stories with reason?

Frank

Quote from: Goaty on 14 March, 2014, 07:58:19 PM
I remember there are few stories that got changes of artists, I never knew the reason as; Samantha Slade

Ian Gibson had been unhappy with Alan Grant's scripts for some time, and just gave up. The excellent and much missed Grant Goggans goes into the matter in great detail here. I'll add another Gibson story to your list, Dredd versus Dog Deever in Full Mental Jacket (578-582), which was finished off by Steve Parkhouse.


Goaty

Well I don't blame Ian Gibson, as Samantha Slade last story was so confused, as in the prison, but with the scarf help her escape... ok.

Emp


Frank


Link Prime

The uber talented Glenn Fabry was allowed three ice ages to complete Slaine: Demon Killer.

Unfortunately, he didn't think it too many, and Tharg had to step in with assistance from the mighty Dermot Power for the conclusion to Book 1 and entirety of Book 2.

As much as I dug Power's take on the Woad Warrior, I don't think I've ever seen anything approaching Fabry's work on those first few episodes outside of, say, an Italian Renaissance museum.

TordelBack

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Quote from: sauchie on 14 March, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
I'll add another Gibson story to your list, Dredd versus Dog Deever in Full Mental Jacket (578-582), which was finished off by Steve Parkhouse.

The redoubtable Parkhouse does a great job of keeping Gibson's designs going, in a character-heavy (and rather brilliant) story, to the point that I'd actually forgotten that he'd taken over until you mentioned it...

Quote from: Link Prime on 14 March, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
As much as I dug Power's take on the Woad Warrior, I don't think I've ever seen anything approaching Fabry's work on those first few episodes outside of, say, an Italian Renaissance museum.

I often convince myself that Fabry's colour work on Slaine was overworked and too static, but then I open Demon Killer and just stare and stare at the Angelsea sequence.  Holeee shit, that is something you just don't see.  Which is not to say that Power's stuff isn't damn good too.  But still...

Frank

Quote from: Link Prime on 14 March, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
The uber talented Glenn Fabry was allowed three ice ages to complete Slaine: Demon Killer. Unfortunately, he didn't think it too many, and Tharg had to step in with assistance from the mighty Dermot Power for the conclusion to Book 1 and entirety of Book 2. As much as I dug Power's take on the Woad Warrior, I don't think I've ever seen anything approaching Fabry's work on those first few episodes outside of, say, an Italian Renaissance museum.

I think Dermot Power's a phenomenally talented artist, but his Slaine work falls uncomfortably between the stools recently vacated by Bisley and Fabry. Fabry gave some interviews prior to Demon Killer saying he'd been freaked out by how good Bisley was and felt he had to regain his crown, which astonished me. I absolutely love Bisley's stuff, but what Fabry achieved with Slaine The King means his take on the character and his world will always be definitive, for me.

Demon Killer isn't the only instance of Fabry supplying the starter but needing someone else to provide the main course; apart from sharing Slaine with the great David Pugh, he went twos-up on Judgement On Gotham 4: Die laughing. Murray and Brashill are usually credited with the art for Book Two of that story, but they finish off the last few pages of Book One as well. Both upped the quality of their finish on that book, and their sections have an energy Fabry's perfect panels lack.


Link Prime

I agree that Murray stepped up to the plate for Die Laughing. A fantastic artist, with huge potential.
His last work for Tharg if I recall?

TordelBack

One of the interesting ones was Henry stepping in for Carlos on Helter Skelter, and actually improving matters.  Was this the famous 'house collapsing around his ears' period for Ezquerra? 

Link Prime

One more for the evening; SMS contributing some episodes to my personal fave: The Black Hole.

Despite having a vastly different style than Biz, I think it worked very well.
Couldn't imagine the story without his contribution now.

TordelBack

Quote from: Link Prime on 14 March, 2014, 11:10:26 PM
One more for the evening; SMS contributing some episodes to my personal fave: The Black Hole.

Now there's an interesting one.  I always assumed that the use of both artists was intentional from the start, rather than a running change.

JOE SOAP

Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2014, 10:58:11 PM
One of the interesting ones was Henry stepping in for Carlos on Helter Skelter, and actually improving matters.  Was this the famous 'house collapsing around his ears' period for Ezquerra?

A case of history rhyming rather than repeating when more house woes for Carlos during Origins gave birth to Dan Francisco by Wagner & Rufus; this time Carlos stayed with the story.

JOE SOAP

Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2014, 11:28:10 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 14 March, 2014, 11:10:26 PM
One more for the evening; SMS contributing some episodes to my personal fave: The Black Hole.

Now there's an interesting one.  I always assumed that the use of both artists was intentional from the start, rather than a running change.

I believe it was the plan; SMS always had the edge for me in this story: fantastic scenery and assorted costumery.


Call-Me-Kenneth

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I would love to have seen a full Biz take on the 'Black Hole', the thought of his version of Hammerstein's origin is perhaps the greatest 'what if?' in comics for me....

Tht said, I'd be curious to see a full SMS version too..

As for getting taken off a series, an old art college friend of mine was  taken off a Dark Horse flagship series mid-run.
It messed him up good and damaged his industry rep....pity.


Ps: Chris Halls getting replaced by Carl critchlow on 'son of mean' was a huge disappointment for me...
Chris's genius was evident even then, I'd loved to have seen a true visionary tackle a series...

Pps: Rob Bliss getting replaced by the good (but lesser talents of) Greg staples and nick Percival on 'The Clown:book ii' sticks in my craw also...