unoffical merchandise

[Devons Daddy]

i have in the last three months. got a dredd badge. a lawgiver mk1.some great t shirts.
from non licensed i take it? suppliers.why doesnt the future shop sell this kind of merchandise.

what else is  out there, which could be avaible to us officailly.
anyone else mangaed to get some things they are pretty pleased with.

[Devons Daddy]

in case anyone is interested.
it looks like ron smith the stupid gun. i have already got soem ron smith orignal art. as such im not going to bid again. but at his current price it may be interesting to a some of us.
aarrggh tends to be a little high on his prices these days for ron smith.

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[Tex Hex]

Given that forbidden planet is about 70% merchandice these days, Im surprised that tooth hasnt jumped on this bandwagon in a much bigger way. The only things I have seen are the dredd/death sculptures (apart from the figures a while back).

I want GOOD t-shirts! And in the sodding shops too!.

[Devons Daddy]

ask nicely and i will offer a link ;~)

 david is his name. he has a total of 6 designs in X and XL

villashack@btopenworld.com

he has all designs in basic windows format. for easy to download viewing.
they are very good and cheap as well.

[paulvonscott]

Hmmm... unless you are ripping off Disney I can't say I entirely approve.  

Also of course...

1. There's no quality control
2. A license probably isn't that hard or expensive to get, you aren't dealing with 100 billion losing OmniCorp here.  
3. None of the money goes back to Rebellion
4. Nothing goes back to creators in the form of royalties

[Devons Daddy]

but when memebers of this site asked about licensing, not a word was replied.

supply and demand.sad but true. whilst i agree.with the principle the fact is that merchandise is very very limited.
im happy with my buys in recent months.
as soon as rebellion get it on im a buyer in the mean time. i buy from the suppliers.

i do support rebellion though. i buy offcail stuff as well.i only buy they dont have.dredd badge.law giver,decent t shirts at a reasonable price. i paid a fiver for each one. whats the future shop price for a boring one?

[paulvonscott]

Try buying ANY officially licensed t-shirt for a fiver.  It just can't be done.  The reason is that the person selling them...

1.  Not paying the owner of the intellectual property money to use the images.  i.e. he's stealing them. Money that in theory could go back into 2000AD.

2.  Not paying for advertising, promotion, packaging or distribution.

3.  Probably not paying tax.

4.  Producing them all from a lock up himself, so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.

5.  Possibly not using quality componants or methods.

6.  Not offering any form guarentee.

If people want to license 2000AD and Judge Dredd images, then surely all they have to do is contact Rebellion and make the appropriate arrangements?  

As I'm not an employee of Rebellion, it's not really my problem.  Nor am I really having a go at you for buying it, but we both know it's not right, even if it is a bargain and good quality.

The only dubious thing I've bought was a resin Judge Death Badge in Forbidden Planet some time ago so I assumed it MUST (surely) have been licensed.  It was obviously the product of some cottage industry, but it looked good.

[Devons Daddy]

i agree with you on your principal there PVS.

perhaps i have been out here to long. the land of piracy. i have become immune to it.
everything out here from a F1 t-shirt to a set of golf clubs can be bought in counterfit and real standards.so for me purchasing an item which has no orignal version is not something i even consider as a decsion.

the points you raise are valid and fair.
my gross is more rebelloins lack of focus on this area.rather then anything else really. i would if they offered buy from them.

but since they dont and i wish to collect this type of thing, i have no alternative. and to be honest its not cost which is my first consideration.its more choice.
i felt there t-shirt where boring.so much great art work and what do we get a ? hardly a must have summer item was it.

every  other comic seems to have decent valid licensed merchandise line.why not us?

[paulvonscott]

Well I was just puting the argument forward, in many ways I am entirely hypocritical of couse ;)

[Wake]

Although technically all unofficial merchandise is a breach of copyright, in reality it depends on exactly what the merchandise is, how much profit the seller is making, how many items are being sold, and whether there is similar official merchandise available.

For example (and I'm not talking specifically about 2000AD here), prop casts seem to be okay, since each once actually takes a fair amount of skill and effort to produce, so the numbers and profit margins are usually fairly small. At the other extreme, CD-ROMs are a complete no-no since once you have a master, copies can be made at virtually no cost or effort.

Wake

[GordonR]

So, basically, it's okay to help yourself to someone else's property if you put some quality time and effort into your thieving, and if you're not really going to make much money from it?

"But, your honour, it took me ages to bypass that burglar alarm.  And do you know how skillful an art proper safe-cracking really is?  And, besides, there wasn't much loot in the thing anyway..."

;->

[Buddy]

I have contacted Rebellion about this very thing.. producing quality T-shirts in particular.

STILL NO REPLY.

I just need to know what is involved in getting permission to produce licensed products.

Is there a one off fee?

Do Rebellion expect a certain percentage of the sale price?

Do Rebellion expect a fixed rate per item sold?

Rebellion would of course have a final say on the quality of the merchandise - I wouldn't be producing any old shit with Judge Dredds name on it (although that seems to be exactly what is on offer in the line of T-Shirts from the Future Shop!!).

If I were to produce just one t-Shirt it would be this (you should see an image here, if I've got the link right!!!).

A bold, one colour design (inexpensive to produce)by the best Dredd artist about today.

So, come on Rebellion:
What do I have to do to produce the shirt!!!

Hands up who would buy this shirt. I'll put a guestimate price of ?11.99 + P&P of say ?1.00.

Umpty puts hand up!

I have a lot more of these and I'll post them on the board when I have the time.

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[opaque]

Would any of the artists have any say on official products, creator owned characters of course though (whichever ones they are!)

An awful lot of all the Dredd stuff that is around t-shirts, figures etc are ones from the past, from 1994 especially. We are living off the detritius of past merchandising pushes, mainly from Ebay (some good stuff nonetheless though)

I've bought things from the FutureShop before and now I'm just waiting for the next things.

Umpty has exactly the right idea. Proper big image t-shirts are what we need.
Promotes the brand as well as looking good!

[eggonlegs]

id buy the jok dredd tshirt

[Devons Daddy]

uncle umpty knows i am on his list for merchandise.confirmed order.now that JOCK T. lets be honest. its the frankie says of this summer for all tooth fans.
serious here uncle umpty. i am a customer confirmed.one in small and one in XL.as soon as you get permission.

what about
 sheddcon and we didnt think it 2 many. its got to be on the cards surely.?