Conspiracy Theory Debate

[Funt Solo]

I don't see what I'd be getting out of it. I'd be willing to do it for a negotiated hourly rate, though. Let's say ... $75 an hour.

I just remembered we're not supposed to tout for business on the forum. I retract my offer. 

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

That Josef 'Keanu Depp' Stalin has really let himself go.

Would definitely like to be more than comrades with this guy!

One of my favorite bits of Stalin-lore is that his name was actually Ioseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili, and he changed it to "Joe Steel" (because Stalin just means steel). He gave himself a superhero name.

I only learned that recently myself. I just wonder if when a Russian hears the name, does it sound something like 'Joe, Man of Steel'? It's still hard to wrap my head around the fact that a Spanish speaker hears 'Zorro' as 'Fox' (and 'Lobo' as 'Wolf', for that matter).

I just asked one of my Hispanic friends about this. He said they don't get foxes in southern California, but a quick google revealed there are. It looks like they commonly get misidentified as coyotes. Anyway, he says Zorro doesn't conjure the image of a bushy tailed vulpa in the same way Batman doesn't inspire an image of a flying rodent.

I would assume Russians hear Josef Stalin and think of the murderous dictator and not a man of steel. Much like when I hear Jessica Fletcher I think of the murderous old lady who frames others for her crimes and not some woman who dicks about with twigs and feathers.

[Funt Solo]

I don't see what I'd be getting out of it. I'd be willing to do it for a negotiated hourly rate, though. Let's say ... $75 an hour.

I just remembered we're not supposed to tout for business on the forum. I retract my offer. 

Okay, you get one freebie. But just one!

[JayzusB.Christ]

I just asked one of my Hispanic friends about this. He said they don't get foxes in southern California, but a quick google revealed there are. It looks like they commonly get misidentified as coyotes. Anyway, he says Zorro doesn't conjure the image of a bushy tailed vulpa in the same way Batman doesn't inspire an image of a flying rodent.

I would assume Russians hear Josef Stalin and think of the murderous dictator and not a man of steel. Much like when I hear Jessica Fletcher I think of the murderous old lady who frames others for her crimes and not some woman who dicks about with twigs and feathers.

Thanks for looking into it - fair points all round.  Nobody thinks of Christopher Steele, I suppose, as a Robot-Archie-like automaton, just as nobody thinks of Simon Pegg as a small clasping device on a washing line.

Batman did cross my mind - to be honest I'm not sure if his name doesn't conjure up images of bats, given that he dresses up as one.  But, as far as I can see, they don't translate his name in other languages - I remember one of my foreign students was surprised when I explained what it meant.

[The Legendary Shark]

I don't see what I'd be getting out of it.

No, I don't believe you do.

Thanks for the link. Even more hearsay evidence written by some anonymous author who's opinion you obviously value above your own or mine - or the man you're accusing.

Go back over our discussion and switch places - Imagine I'd made your posts, but about, oh I don't know, the DG of the BBC, offered the same lack of evidence and evasions, and finally posted a link to a third party website displaying an anonymous hatchet piece. Would you really, really think I'd come close to even establishing, let alone supporting, my accusations?

[sintec]

Thanks for the link. Even more hearsay evidence written by some anonymous author

There's plenty of citations on that wiki linking back to Corbett's blog, evidencing that what he said, and citations to evidence for why it's wrong. That's not what I'd call hearsay - that's an argument. Admittedly the tone is somewhat derisive and it's a wiki so yeah could have been edited by anyone (there is a history there though but that doesn't tell you much). But it does seem to contain a good amount of evidence that Corbett is pushing unfounded conspiracies re Bill Gates, Pizzagate (possibly one of the most stupid conspiracies of the last few years), GMOs, 5G (all the usual topics tbh).  And the tone is no more derisive than Corbett's own:

Discover what the globalist carbon eugenicists and their pals in the mainstream mockingbird media don't want you to know about the upcoming IPCC report in this week's editorial.

(https://www.corbettreport.com/the-ipcc-prepares-to-release-more-hot-air/).

I have to say I'm with Funt on this one. The guy looks like someone peddling conspiracies for $s to me, looks like a very similar boat to Alex Jones.

Oh and a bit more googling finds videos of him discussing "The Great Reset", favoured theory of white power advocates and QAnon followers.  Yeah I'm out. Last time I heard that phrase was an old friend who went full alt-right in the wake of gamer gate - he was last seen being banned from FB for posting pro-eugenics "research" from white power sites and "news" reports about Islamic immigrants (usually from weird Russian news sources). Watched and read more than enough of that stuff when I was trying to convince him he was being lied to, not going back down that rabbit hole.

[The Legendary Shark]

All his work is available for free, whether one subscribes or donates or not. No paywalls like Wiki claims. He has to make some money to finance his site and work, of course, but all donations are entirely voluntary. So the money-grabbing argument holds very little water.

Got to work. Bbl.

[sheridan]

Thanks for looking into it - fair points all round.  Nobody thinks of Christopher Steele, I suppose, as a Robot-Archie-like automaton, just as nobody thinks of Simon Pegg as a small clasping device on a washing line.

Donald Trump, on the other hand...

Batman did cross my mind - to be honest I'm not sure if his name doesn't conjure up images of bats, given that he dresses up as one.  But, as far as I can see, they don't translate his name in other languages - I remember one of my foreign students was surprised when I explained what it meant.

I do think of the flying mammals when I hear that name.  I don't think of assistants to military officers though...

[JayzusB.Christ]

Thanks for looking into it - fair points all round.  Nobody thinks of Christopher Steele, I suppose, as a Robot-Archie-like automaton, just as nobody thinks of Simon Pegg as a small clasping device on a washing line.

Donald Trump, on the other hand...

Not to mention Boris Johnson.

[Funt Solo]

I don't see what I'd be getting out of it.

No, I don't believe you do.

Opening with an incredibly patronizing ad hominem in which I'm portrayed as incapable of understanding. Nice.

Thanks for the link. Even more hearsay evidence written by some anonymous author who's opinion you obviously value above your own or mine - or the man you're accusing.

You asked for some evidence of his charlatanism - I provided it (and, as sintec pointed out, it does have citations you can follow up - just like your beloved guru) and you've dismissed it out of hand. Because you love him and won't have anyone detract without punishment. You are biased and incapable of shifting position one iota.

Someone posted a few pages ago that providing you with data is not a solution. Goal posts shift and it's a never-ending story.

Here's a thought experiment for you: what's more likely? That your beloved guru is correct, but that the entire journalistic world hasn't (even with all his evidence and all his years of posting) caught on to the terrible truth of the global cabal OR it's all just pasted together half-truths painting an amazing fictional picture that you think is real?

Thank-you and goodnight. 

[Funt Solo]

Thanks for looking into it - fair points all round.  Nobody thinks of Christopher Steele, I suppose, as a Robot-Archie-like automaton, just as nobody thinks of Simon Pegg as a small clasping device on a washing line.

Donald Trump, on the other hand...

Not to mention Boris Johnson.

Or Mickey Mouse, now that I know that means Penis Mouse in Ireland.

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

Thanks for looking into it - fair points all round.  Nobody thinks of Christopher Steele, I suppose, as a Robot-Archie-like automaton, just as nobody thinks of Simon Pegg as a small clasping device on a washing line.

Donald Trump, on the other hand...

Not to mention Boris Johnson.

Or Mickey Mouse, now that I know that means Penis Mouse in Ireland.

I've never seen Steamboat Willy, and now I'm not sure I want to.

We should all be ashamed, we're not taking this discussion about conspiracies seriously.

I suggest the mods split off all the Stalin stuff into a separate thread where we can properly objectify history's greatest monsters. Possibly rank them in order of sexiness? Ranking is popular here right? I'm an enthusiastic ranker myself. I think my ranking activity has increased now that I'm at home all the time.

[JayzusB.Christ]

Welcome to a whole new avenue of puerile sniggering, Funt.

[Funt Solo]

I suggest the mods split off all the Stalin stuff into a separate thread where we can properly objectify history's greatest monsters.

Trotsky Assortment

---

*There's nothing cuter than Walt Disney's trusty old Mickey!*

[Tjm86]

Welcome to a whole new avenue of puerile sniggering, Funt.

See, any you all laughed when I said that Disney had secretly taken over the world!!!!!