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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #240 on: 14 October, 2020, 11:26:57 PM »
Maybe they just like girls with tattoos!

Maybe they are girls with tattoos?

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Why would I look around at the people in Scruffy Murphy's and think "none of these people really like Heavy Metal - they are just in it for how it makes them look"

The one in Birmingham?  Only been the once, around mid-day and I think I was the only person there at that time of day :-/

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #241 on: 15 October, 2020, 08:29:25 PM »
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Why would I look around at the people in Scruffy Murphy's and think "none of these people really like Heavy Metal - they are just in it for how it makes them look"

Ironically, this is true of a lot of the people who do drink in Scruffy Murphys nowdays.

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« Reply #242 on: 15 October, 2020, 08:42:04 PM »
Reminds me of the time that my goth friend told me that The Cure weren't goth enough to be goth and when I tried out a few other examples and they all got turned down (even though they all wore black clothes and had white make up on). Eventually I gave up (as it turned out that everything I thought was goth was apparently just virtue signaling) and I asked him to provide just one example of a band that was true goth in his eyes.

The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #243 on: 15 October, 2020, 08:58:46 PM »
Ironically failing basic diversity in my own post!  :lol:

Yep, the Scruffys in Birmingham - it is very quiet most of the time!  I couldn't use Costermongers in that example as it brings on PTSD!


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Why would I look around at the people in Scruffy Murphy's and think "none of these people really like Heavy Metal - they are just in it for how it makes them look"

The one in Birmingham?  Only been the once, around mid-day and I think I was the only person there at that time of day :-/

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #244 on: 15 October, 2020, 11:48:07 PM »
The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.

See also: The Sisters of Mercy (original line-up), The Mission and The Cult (much beloved of goths in the Love/Electric era).
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #245 on: 16 October, 2020, 12:35:37 AM »
The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.

See also: The Sisters of Mercy (original line-up), The Mission and The Cult (much beloved of goths in the Love/Electric era).

Though the Cult (well, Ian) always seemed a bit confused over whether he wanted to dress as an imperialist USAian or one of the first peoples of America...

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« Reply #246 on: 16 October, 2020, 06:23:30 AM »
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The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.

Who do music that is more akin to a mournful dirge ...  Oh, and they consider their concerts to be black magic masses.  Sort of like the satanist equivalent of Christian worship music. Their album artwork back in the day was a cross between Dave McKean and Alistair Crowley.

One of their videos bears a very close similarity to the rip-off of Shok!  Post-apocalyptic imagery, western costumes ...

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #247 on: 16 October, 2020, 07:48:46 AM »
Oh, and they consider their concerts to be black magic masses.  Sort of like the satanist equivalent of Christian worship music.

This is so far off-topic for the thread it's making my head hurt, but you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #248 on: 16 October, 2020, 10:59:14 AM »
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The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.

Who do music that is more akin to a mournful dirge ...  Oh, and they consider their concerts to be black magic masses.  Sort of like the satanist equivalent of Christian worship music. Their album artwork back in the day was a cross between Dave McKean and Alistair Crowley.

One of their videos bears a very close similarity to the rip-off of Shok!  Post-apocalyptic imagery, western costumes ...

Pretty much the only bit you got right about that was Alistair Crowley.  Didn't realise you were a christian fundamentalist.  Better not get you started on any other religions.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #249 on: 16 October, 2020, 12:51:25 PM »
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The Fields of the Nephelim, apparently. Bunch of guys dressed like cowboys. Okay.

Who do music that is more akin to a mournful dirge ...  Oh, and they consider their concerts to be black magic masses.  Sort of like the satanist equivalent of Christian worship music. Their album artwork back in the day was a cross between Dave McKean and Alistair Crowley.

One of their videos bears a very close similarity to the rip-off of Shok!  Post-apocalyptic imagery, western costumes ...

Pretty much the only bit you got right about that was Alistair Crowley.  Didn't realise you were a christian fundamentalist.  Better not get you started on any other religions.

To be fair, he may be completely wrong about the Nephilim (I like them, anyway), but he never said anything about being a Christian fundamentalist. Plenty to pick apart without throwing in a strawman.

Unless you were joking, in which case I apologise.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #250 on: 16 October, 2020, 01:14:17 PM »
To be fair, he may be completely wrong about the Nephilim (I like them, anyway), but he never said anything about being a Christian fundamentalist.

I wouldn't have gone that far, but the whole "black magic" and "satanist" thing certainly implies a very strong Christian viewpoint and fundamentally misunderstands what McCoy is about regardless.

To wrap up my comments on this in one post and hopefully put an end to my part in this fairly dramatic derail:

I get why FotN is a very acquired taste — I can't think of another band that requires the same level of 'buy in' from the listener. Their whole… thing only works if you accept that it requires a completely straight face. There's no knowing wink to the audience that you get with the Sisters — FotN channel iconography that's equal parts post-apocalypse spaghetti western and The Fog, filtered through McCoy's largely impenetrable belief system that centers on Chaos Magic.

That's either Cool As All Fuck, or completely ridiculous. You don't have to believe any of it, but you do have to accept it and play along, or it's all just very daft. The thing is, if you do buy in, it's incredibly rewarding — I'd argue to this day that 'The Nephilim'* (aka 'The Brown Album') is one of rock music's all-time capital-G Great records, and their live shows are mesmerisingly brilliant.

If you don't want to buy in? Well, nobody's making you listen to them.

(Aside: similarities between the Preacher Man video and Hardware are hardly surprising, since it was directed by Hardware director Richard Stanley, several years before he made Hardware.)

*Vinyl track listing. There's an extra track on every version you find now — Shiva — a single B-side which was originally stuck in the middle of the album as 'bonus' on the CD version but which breaks the pace of the album in a way that's borderline vandalism.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #251 on: 16 October, 2020, 01:33:25 PM »
Bit harsh there, Sheridan. We all unconsciously pick up preconceptions peddled by eejits, I don't think fundamentalism has to enter into it.  Tjm's faith seems to be the good kind that, as an atheist, I wish was more widespread.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #252 on: 16 October, 2020, 02:09:17 PM »
Whenever Nephlim get's mentioned I always think of my mate who had a porn tape* labelled "Nephlim Live" because it was a guarantee his missus would never watch it while he was out.

*VHS, it was about 20 years ago and DVD hadn't completely taken over yet
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #253 on: 16 October, 2020, 02:41:48 PM »
Hrmn ... my wife has a large collection of knitting DVDs ... I wonder ... OH MY! Now that is seriously woke!
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #254 on: 16 October, 2020, 02:58:07 PM »
OH MY! Now that is seriously woke!

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