Out-of-body experiences

[WoD]

I think Bou mentioned in another thread that she had an experience or two, but that they were for another thread.....here you go then....

So, what are they then Bou, and has anyone else had one?
To start the ball rolling...

Personaly the nearest I had was when I was about 15, led on the sofa listening to what was on the box when the next thing I felt was myself raising and then I was looking down on the Earth.  Probably just a dream, but I remember feeling that it wasn't like any dream I had had before (or since).  But, just a dream I'm sure.

WoD.

[Matt Timson]

Tch!  Go with the mundane answer, why don't you?!?  Until science can prove otherwise, you astrally projected yourself into orbit.

I mean, it's so obvious!  Bloody realists...

[Queen Firey-Bou]

well maybe they were dreams or maybe... okay the really freaky one, cos i wasnt trying to do it & thought i'd accidentally just died was an hour or so after giving birth to middle kid,

home birth, difficult, she was BIG 9.10, it had gone quiet, family retreated to kitchen to let me rest, babe sleeping besides me, when suddenly i lurch, you know when you fall asleep & wake yourself up my twitching? like that but bigger, lurch forward like sitting up, sickening feeling in pit of stomach, then realise i'm sitting up higher than i'm supposed to be in fact i'm lifting up & starting to forward roll so i'm face downwards, except floating in spare, its pretty dark in the room, but i can see orange glow of heater & am aware that baby is okay sleeping down underneath me, i slowley spin around & then fall & end up at the bottom of the bed the wrong way around , feeling really sick & really wrong & scared but can't cry out, with a mighty consious sort of mental effort I snap myself back to where i was  previously, it hurts, but i have control of my limbs again & do a lot of pinching self.

no it wasnt drugs i never touched them for birth or otherwise ( not since college anyhoo ).

prolly dreampt it, but swear i didnt.

[Krustabi]

I sometimes fall asleep for absolutely no reason

[eggonlegs]

ahem, ive had a few "strange" experiences of this kind > but dont wish to discuss them on the board people think im strange enough allready!

[Queen Firey-Bou]

to totally contradict what i just said on ICKE thread, heres a rant;
okay , You know how sex religion & politics can get dodgy around here...? well here goes....

So its okay to believe in one or another God, because faith & a book tells you its is so, & it is very wrong to judge people on wether they do or don't,

any yet, anyone who has experiences like the above, or sees ghosties etc etc etc, is afraid to admit it because they are instantly labeled fruit cake & loopy ICkE-type freak. YET millions of people see & hear & experience wierd stuff every day that Science & psychology CANNOT explain.. possibly because they too are terrified to touch these subjects, as they will be labeled crack pots. I will happily embrace any plausable explaination, I am a realist as well as a Romantasist. But what i refuse to accept is that i should deny & be secretive about my own REAL experiences because they do not toe the party line of designated consentual reality paradigms.

I mean hellooo, scratch the surface & the interface between our perceptions & the way we interpret them to construct reality is pretty fascinating yet ropey stuff.
My point being that if we lived in a society where seeing fairies was socially acceptable, we would all see them. So anyone thinking i'm a fruit bat for being open about these things can shove it up their judgemental inhibited narrow lizard bums.

[judge dreddd]

"home birth, difficult, she was BIG 9.10, "...ooo its good to be a man :)

seeing stuff, nothing is impossible, just improbable...which in an infinite universe means...could happen all the time..

[Dudley]

Bou -

Nobody's actually disagreeing with you here!  

Yours

Mr Judgemental Inhibited Narrow Lizard Bum

[Slippery PD]

YET millions of people see & hear & experience wierd stuff every day that Science & psychology CANNOT explain

Im not actually disagreeing with your major point, but our ubderstanding of the brain and science is farily rudementary, only really been going for the last 150 years or so.  The things you are talking about are really difficult to prove scientifically.  An experiment needs to be able to be repeated to be proven, its difficult to test these things once let alone twice.  Its hardly, therefore, surprising that scientists steer away from this.  There a huge number of things that can be investigated easily and proven.

Scientists and the scientific community tend to be open minded by definition, you can hardly be close minded if you want to believe in atoms (still never been pictured yet).  But its difficult to believe in something that you can hardly prove (by tried and tested scientific method).  See also my beliefs on religion......

Yer Slips

[Matt Timson]

Quite honestly, Bou- it has occurred to me that he might actually be right- I just don't want to believe it- and that's probably the same for a lot of people who don't believe in 'stuff'.

We live in a world where we pretty much believe anything we're told- so long as it seems plausible- but then what is plausible?  Basically (for the majority of us), anything plausible is based around other things that we've been told.  For example- we are told that we went to the Moon and anyone suggesting otherwise is judged a crackpot.  I don't actually know if it's possible or not- especially as I've heard very convincing arguments for both sides- but it was taught to me as fact and I never questioned it until somebody else did.

The only way I will ever really know is if I go there and look for myself.

Can anyone tell me where I was going with this please?

[judge dreddd]

the moon - they left a reflecting dish so they could measure the distance between the earth and the moon,oh they went ok

the astonishing thing is that they really did spend all that money doing that fairly pointless exercise but it did leave us with smaller computers...which led to..this board :)

a few thousand years ago they would say you were mad for suggesting the earth was not flat...

[judge dreddd]

perhaps, bou, because you live closer to nature than the rest of us your perceptions are more finely and naturally tuned ?

Link: http://www.philosophyslam.org/thoreau.html" target="_blank">close to nature says philosopher dude

[Queen Firey-Bou]

hey i know that no-one was really disagreeing, but with eggies post, i generally i do feel that this subject area is hushed & uncomfortable, only after many pints & between close friends do people discuss their wierd 'experiences'.

but in my mind crack pot new-age hippy types are just as annoying as cynical heads.. just opposite poles of closed mindedness.

and i want an arguement... cummmmon if you think your hard enough .....

[eggonlegs]

youre my hero/in

[VampiraJen]

"So its okay to believe in one or another God, because faith & a book tells you its is so, & it is very wrong to judge people on wether they do or don't, any yet, anyone who has experiences like the above, or sees ghosties etc etc etc, is afraid to admit it because they are instantly labeled fruit cake & loopy ICkE-type freak."

evr heard the billy connolly sketch along these lines?  It's okay to believe in god but if you walk up to the nearest asylum and say god speaks to you they wont even let you go home for your pagama's

It's very true.  there if something dodgy about that.  If you believe in god (which i don't, but many do and i respect that) and belive what the bible says, (which often depicts god speaking to people) then surely you must believe that god has chosen to speak to these people.  Yes there are some nuters out there who'll shoot a bunch of black folk and say they are doing god's work, but these are the minority and psychologically disturbld (or racist bigoted f'ers).  The majority of the worlds population are as sane as humanly possible.  I don't remember the exact figure, but over 90% of the population believe in a god of somekind, they can't all be nutters.


I fear i may have veered of the topic slightly...:(