Out-of-body experiences

[Matt Timson]

"the moon - they left a reflecting dish so they could measure the distance between the earth and the moon,oh they went ok"

That's exactly my point.  You've just treated as fact something that's been told to you.  You accept it as fact without even thinking about it.  Of course we went to the moon- we left a reflecting dish there- everybody knows that.

But did they *really*?  Would any average person really know?  It could have been sent unmanned- or it might not even be there at all.  It could all be a load of bollocks.  I certainly wouldn't have a clue one way or the other- but I believe it because I'm *told* that it's true.

[Quirkafleeg]

I think therefore I am... errr I think?

[The Amstor Computer]

"But did they *really*? Would any average person really know? It could have been sent unmanned- or it might not even be there at all. It could all be a load of bollocks. I certainly wouldn't have a clue one way or the other- but I believe it because I'm *told* that it's true."

Taking that to its logical conclusion, aren't you're saying that anything *you* haven't personally observed may not exist/have occurred?

I don't know whether this is really your position or whether you're just putting it forward for arguments sake, but I personally couldn't live like that. I'm all for well-placed skepticism, but you have to put some measure of trust in what you're told by others.

[Queen Firey-Bou]

conversation in pub last night, mostof us being pretty cynical but having lots of  ghost & wierd stories to tell, lassie who really wanted to talk about kharma & chakrahs & who had the grooviest aura, was dissapointed that she'd never seen any wierdies....

so that rules out the theory that you see what you believe in.

[judge dreddd]

"and i want an arguement... cummmmon if you think your hard enough ....."

well, either you can see things others cant or your mad

its that simple really

[Smiley]

Not an out of body experience, but I have had that (supposedly commonplace) sensation where you can sense yourself passing through your own body at an angle.

[rc]

No one is seeing any ghosts, apparitions or any other unfeasable shit.

Some folk have too much time on their hands, and need to invent spooky experiences to make themselves seem interesting - and adopt an agressively defensive attitude in the face of sceptics.

Same goes for bloody UFOs.

[Queen Firey-Bou]

"Some folk have too much time on their hands, and need to invent spooky experiences to make themselves seem interesting "



HA HA HA HA!

yes dear, that's correct, oh grud why am i so dull & petty.


sigh, uninteresting BOU.

[rc]

Acceptance is the first step towards rehabilitation.

[Dudley]

You've just treated as fact something that's been told to you. You accept it as fact without even thinking about it

Well, no.  

You hear a lot of stuff, learn a lot of facts as you go through life.  Most of them hold into some kind of a semblance of order, have some kind of mathematical or other logical underpinning that seems to tie together.  Some are really odd and seem not to fit within your normal conceptual framework.  That gets filed as "wierd shit", and then you try to find an explanation for it within the framework through which you understand the rest of the world.

So your dream-that-came-true from a couple of weeks ago seemed to me to have an explanation (from the outside, not maybe from your own perspective) that made it fit in with the way I know the world to mostly work.  On the other hand, I can't find a similar logical explanation for Bou's out of body.  But nor have I experienced it myself, so it has to go into the "wierd shit" file as it's totally outside and for all the genuine respect I have for both you and Bou, I'm not going to change my idea of how the world works on the basis of a couple of people writing on a messageboard (I mean, for all I know you're a transsexual Braxilian streetwalker and Bou's a Ukranian trucker).

All I can say is "this doesn't fit with the way my world works", and my world works fine, thanks for asking...

[judge dreddd]

"HA HA HA HA!

yes dear, that's correct, oh grud why am i so dull & petty.
"

or bou decides to keep shtumm and deflect doctors investigations ?

[VampiraJen]

"so that rules out the theory that you see what you believe in"

well, there is the theory that you have to belive something before you can see it.  how many people believe in a god, not becaus they have physical proof of his existance, but because they feel it in their heart?

[Queen Firey-Bou]

yeah but i have very sharp 'previous incarnation ' memories, but i don't believe its possible, and certainly had never heard of it as a 6 year old kid, or earlier when i remembered this adult & historical stuff.... explain that?  my theory is that stuff from the media & parents heads somehow filtered into even the babie mind & became sublimated as my own 'false' memory.. one of them is the sickening & visceral memory of being repeatedly stabbed in the gut & bundled somewhere dark it feels like the 60's & i'm sortof 8 - 12... when i was one or 2 the whole moors murders thing was going on, did my infacnt mind pick up on my mothers fears?

the mind is a fascinating thing my friends , but don't rule anything out.

or of course i'm probably attention seeking as usual, having no life n'all. ( whats an emoticon for ' you wanna kicking?' evil glare go like ? )

[rc]

Of course you should rule things out.

Once the point is passed when you realise you are mortal and will die within around 80 years, it becomes ridiculous and time consuming to keep an open mind for unfeasable possibilities.

You only have one existence, and cannot deal with everything - filter out the unlikely and concentrate on what you know.

[Queen Firey-Bou]

thats fine if youre convinced at an early age that you know everything..

i prefer to be less arrogant when it comes to knowledge & life.