Out-of-body experiences

[Woolly]

Yes, only one boarder has the supreme power to call us all 'wankers', etc.... ;p

You know who i mean...

[rc]

You didn't read my reply, Mr. C.

I repeat, I am willing to learn more about new possibilities should the initial spark appear logical.

If the idea seems preposterous, then I'd rather file it in the "crap" bin than in the "well, you never know" cabinet. This leaves more braintime for the good stuff, yes?

If the preposterous is proven to be real and true in my lifetime [scientific stuff, possible - ghosts, I don't think so] then I look forward to the big surprises.

And I agree with Dudley - the minute a fellow begins to disagree with the "anything goes" stance of your precious superuniverse of infinite delights, certain folk become all defensive and claiming they are "not dull"....

PS.

Didn't answer your question? Of "what my life is like, exciting or dull?". Errrrmmm.. let me think now... (does it HAVE to be one or the other...?)

:)))

[Slippery PD]

Sheep?!?!?!  Sheep?!?!?!?

Goats are better...

Yer Slips

[Mr C]

Heh, good point there, who the hell is going to say "Hello, my name is Norbert and I'm boring."?
Apart from dudley that is :)

Fair enough, I'll agree with you that there is an awful lot of crap out there in the world and most of the "alternate science" stuff is absolute bollocks, plus I don't believe in every single thing I like folklore and local legends simply because I happen to find them interesting not becasue I want to have a chat with a leprechaun! Add to the mix freaks like Clone-aid or whatever they were called and yeah, the paranormal and related fields does look from one angle like complete and utter crap.

I know where you're coming from RC and I do sympathise with you on a lot of points, I just didn't like the way you made certain people out as "inferior" for having certain beliefs that's all.

[rc]

I only said some people have too much time on their hands, and essentially there are no such things as ghosts or ghostliness.

Didn't make no "inferiority" jibes, just made a point of view clear [albeit, in the knowledge that said POV will contrast starkly with Mrs Boots, but I can't help it if folk take opposite viewpoints as personally insulting].

Isn't that right Mister Eyebrows?

Mister Eyebrows?

[Woolly]

"essentially there are no such things as ghosts or ghostliness."

Hmmm, not too sure about that one.
Almost every culture we currently know about, ancient and modern day, has legends and beliefs about ghosts, spirits and the afterlife.
If the idea of ghosts and ghostliness is so widespread, it suggests that SOMETHING is definately going on.

Its just that the human race hasnt the foggiest what that may be, i know i certainly dont!

Personally i hope its a mystery that never gets solved. What would the be the point of a ghost story if we KNEW it was all codswallop?

And who could sleep easily at night if we KNEW it was true?

[Matt Timson]

Sorry- but are you actually attempting to *goad* a reaction out of me or what?

If there's a problem here, it's got a lot less to do with an opposing viewpoint than it has with having somebody I don't know turn up out of the blue and rubbishing one half of a discussion that's already taking place.

Unless you think that, "no one is seeing any ghosts, apparitions or any other unfeasable shit", is a particularly good opening gambit, I'd rethink your posting style a bit.

It's not what you said, it's the way you said it- but then you probably already knew that.  Right?

Right?

Did I take your POV as personally insulting?  I certainly don't remember saying that.  Could you point that out for me, please?

[rc]

True Woolly that humans have been dedicated to spirits and apparitions etc. for bah-zillions of years, but I would think that in the days before we understood what the hell was going on a bit more they were the best answers man could come up with.

I would not knock tribal traditions based on the supernatural still functioning today [though I still think they are deluded], but the mass pre-occupation with invisible ridiculousness in today's society is mankind misusing the gift of choice.

Answer Goaded From Eyebrows: whether you know me or not is not relevant, and the discussion was WoD's in any case. Perhaps such an opening statement is too much to the point for some, but I can't think of any other response that is more truth. No-one is seeing ghosts.

[Dudley]

Did I take your POV as personally insulting? I certainly don't remember saying that. Could you point that out for me, please?

Uh-oh...

[Matt Timson]

Now let's try that one again , RC.  I think you mean that in *your opinion*, no-one is seeing ghosts- which is fair enough.  

But then again- what is a ghost?  Is it the spirit of somebody once living, but now dead?  Is it some natural electromagnetic recording of a specific event that (for some unknown reason) gets played back every now and then?  Is it something as simple as a temporal lobe malfunction that's affecting the person seeing the 'ghost'?  All of the above?  I don't know.  I don't even pretend to know.

I'm still waiting for you to point me in the direction of where I stated that I found your POV personally insulting, by the way.  Should be a piece of piss, seeing as it would appear you deal only in known facts.

[rc]

No, I say again: no-one is seeing ghosts.

If we all listened to you then a man could not make any statements without adding "in my opinion" as a prefix.

I am not alone in drawing on scientific and logical facts to form a cast iron view on a debatable subject; on a subject that has enthralled and mystified mankind for thousands of years, yet is proved only in the minds of those who have been deluded into believing in the supernatural.

Of course you don't know. You don't even pretend to know. Me? From my life experiences and discussions with "believers" I know the possibility of ghost-related apparitions and after-life-running-about exists only in certain minds.

It is my right to be sceptical - as it is your right to argue against scepticism.

But you've got nothing to show me, and I have every reason to dismiss such magic talk.

And I asked you if it was right that I'd made my point of view clear - the rest was in brackets.

[Woolly]

I think theres some confusion going on here.

No-one is saying that ghosts exist, all were saying is that things have been seen and experienced that cannot be explained. They cannot be proved, and they cannot be disproved.

You say you know that people arent seeing ghosts, yet offer no proof, which is why its a good idea to add 'in my opinion' to the sentence.

As for the 'its personal/its not personal' debate...
C'mon guys, this is a thread about strange phenomena, is it realy worth carrying on with this?

[rc]

Appreciate your input Woolly, but the stance of requiring proof to disprove something that cannot be proved is nonsensical and it is rife within believers of magic and supernatural.

Of course I am only asserting my opinions, but so harsh to some people is the possibility that supernatural and magic may not exist on any known level that noses are inevitably put out of joint.

[Matt Timson]

Nnnnnooo...... You directed the remark to me in an effort to get a reaction out of me- and you know full well that you did.  You know exactly what I'm talking about- as does anybody that can actually read:

"Didn't make no "inferiority" jibes, just made a point of view clear [albeit, in the knowledge that said POV will contrast starkly with Mrs Boots, but I can't help it if folk take opposite viewpoints as personally insulting].

Isn't that right Mister Eyebrows?"

To walk into a forum and deliberately attempt to rub people up the wrong way makes you a troll in my book.  Not the "magic" variety either.

Nobody minds a difference of opinion, but you are clearly being a nob.  Killfile*

Matt

*Something I've never used on this forum before today and something that I don't actually believe in doing.  Even irritating people have something to offer somewhere down the line.  Maybe you're just the exception that proves the rule?

[rc]

You have the air of a man whose argument has just collapsed, sir.

You started with the thinly veilled sarcasm while I was busy debating; no-one asked you to start jumping to defenses with snotty remarks.

Check back over the text if you like.

Don't seem to like any sarcasm fired back at you eh? ;)