brave new world - sci-fi classic

judge dreddd · 23 January, 2004, 05:01:18 PM

keep the masses down

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3419095.stm" target="_blank">its coming true !

Devons Daddy · 23 January, 2004, 05:09:24 PM

this is a link to cannabis legalisation in the uk.
that the correct link???

judge dreddd · 23 January, 2004, 05:20:32 PM

yes...somoa...drug to control the masses...brave new world..huxley....

Devons Daddy · 23 January, 2004, 05:29:53 PM

i have mixed feeling on this one.

here we have zero tollarance towards all drugs.
anything abouve 10 grams and they hang them. thats it. no questions. ANY DRUGS.

i have been to amsterdam.so i have seen both sides.
as long as they dont let it go any further then personal poccession, ok. but if they allow the coffee shop style cafes of amsterdam i have to say no its wrong.

Pyroxian · 23 January, 2004, 06:10:13 PM

>but if they allow the coffee shop style cafes of
>amsterdam i have to say no its wrong.

Why? What's the difference between an Amsterdam Coffess shop and a bar? Apart from the fact they sell different intoxicating substances...

Steve

longmanshort · 23 January, 2004, 06:54:23 PM

I'm sorry, but using the existing use of a bad thing to justify allowing the use of another bad thing is just plain daft.

And since we're slowly but surely moving to a society that outlaws smoking cigarettes in anywhere but the home - why the hell should we be allowing people to smoke an intoxicating substance in public?! Yes, second hand cigarette smoke affects your health, but it doesn't affect your mental state. Breathing in dope smoke intoxicates you, whether you do it involuntarily or not. So why the hell should I fail a random drugs test at work just because some d*ckhead thinks it's funny to smoke dope on the bus?!?

Not to mention the - rather terrifying - effects of dope on longterm mental health.

Sorry, drifted off the subject there but I'm afraid - after 'losing' too many friends thanks to their consuming nasty little plants - I cannot begin to see ANY of the thinking behind the current government moves other than almost pure, selfish arrogance.

judge dreddd · 23 January, 2004, 07:09:03 PM

"Not to mention the - rather terrifying - effects of dope on longterm mental health. "...we will keep the masses down your majesty...

Matt Timson · 23 January, 2004, 07:32:26 PM

Reaction, knee, Molcher, in, jerk, shocker (re-arrange to fit)!

You're not going to fail a drugs test because a couple of spotty twats are smoking a joint on the bus, Mikey!

That said, I agree it should be confined to your own home- but then I feel the same way about smoking in general. Why should I have to stink like shit* just for nipping into my local for five minutes to say hello to a couple of mates?

Speaking of which- how exactly have you lost your friends? I've lost somebody I used to consider a good friend because he can't get his head around the fact that I like the odd joint here and there (probably less than once a month). The last three times he's come out with me and my 'druggie mates' (his words, not mine), he's got us into trouble by getting so pissed that he a)makes passes at women- even though they are clearly attached and b)shoots his mouth off about people/situations he knows nothing about.

Amazingly, he seems to think that he's "lost a friend to drugs", when in reality it's because he's a bit of an ill informed and badly behaved twat. Drugs aren't his thing and that's fine by me- it's not for everybody- but he's an idiot if he can't see that his own behaviour is far worse than mine will ever be.

As I've said, I agree that it really should be kept at home- but at the same time, do I really deserve a criminal record- just because I've been caught buying a bit of weed?

Matt (the surprisingly tolerant).

*Obviously I end up stinking of fags- not shit. Either way, I want my clothes to smell of whatever I've washed them in...

Dudley · 23 January, 2004, 07:47:15 PM

Why is it any of the law's business what people choose to put into their own bodies? Legalise all drugs, treat it as a health rather than a moral issue, and watch the number of indigenous drug users go into free fall.

Example: heroin. Viciously addictive, dangerous, and responsible for a stunning amount of crime in the UK each year. Legal until 1967. Number of known, registered addicts in 1967: just under 2,000. Number in 2004? Unknown, but police estimates stand at 90K+

People have to be free to make their own informed choices, whereas the current situation, in which literally unbelievable propaganda from the anti-drugs lobby confuses the issue and allows drug marketers & drug pressure salesmen (translation: pushers) to convince their friends and acquaintances to try it without really thinking about it.

Not to mention the spread of dirty needles, drugs cut with unknown substances and connections with serious crime.

No, just legalise the lot, take them out of the salesmen's hands by nationalising supply, and put the supply in the hands of doctors and hospitals with access to counselling, psychiatric care, quality testing etc. Just like the Swiss, Portugese and the Dutch, we'd soon have at least a third less young people trying or being offered drugs before the age of 16.

Why the hell can't we just say "whatever works" rather than "it must be this way because it must be this way"?

Link: http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/comment/0,8146,506730,00.html" target="_blank">http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/comment/0,8146,506730,00.html

Tanky · 23 January, 2004, 07:51:45 PM

Wise band once say:

Legalise it, And i will advertise it!

Serious bit now. Smokers pay a crap load more tax than non smokers, cos of the amount of tax on a packet of fags. So why should smokers be treated as second class citizens? Most indoor public spaces are already non smoking and i think that's enough. If anyone's under the impression that they will suffer and die from breathing in harmful fumes outdoors, i suggest they stick a cork in every single exhaust pipe they see, as that would probably be more productive.

And while i'm at it...the new anti smoking campaign has not stopped me smoking. However, i can no longer go within 5 feet of a sausage roll.

One more thing.....where are my rizlas?

yours, enjoying a day off and a large doob, xTGx

Wils · 23 January, 2004, 07:56:32 PM

And while i'm at it...the new anti smoking campaign has not stopped me smoking.

Is that the one where it looks like they're advertising cigarettes filled with spunk?

Slippery PD · 23 January, 2004, 08:22:35 PM

Personally I wouldnt lagalise it, decriminilisre it yes. Legalise it no. Legalising it would allow those that make profit from the sale of drugs useable....

Problem I have with this is the money being spent on explaining the down grade of cannabis. Well lets spend ?1million to tell people about the change in the law. Erm what change? Its still illegal, you can still get done for possession and supply. But the sentence might not be as a harsh. Thats hardly a change worth spending a million quid on is it?

In all honesty I have a biggger problem with fags and alchohol which cause much more misery and harm. On the subject of fags and Tax, yes you may pay more. But health care is free at point of entry, and although I dont have stats, a high number of people enter into long term health care because of fags. That costs money, a lot of taxpayers money.

Heck on a personal level my father had his first heart attack at 32 (currently the age I am now) and he had 5 more over the course of two years. Primary factor was fags. When he gave them up his heart attacks stopped..... Sure its anecdotal but its the major reason why I dont smoke.

Yer Slips

Pyroxian · 23 January, 2004, 08:22:38 PM

>I'm sorry, but using the existing use of a bad
>thing to justify allowing the use of another bad
>thing is just plain daft.

Hmm, I was more trying to point out that it's a bit hypocritical to say 'Alcohol's Good!' ('cause it's legal) and then say that other stuff is Bad (because it's illegal for some strange reason).

I visit the Netherlands quite often and they have a really nice society over there - it's a really nice place to visit - I admit though, I don't go to Amsterdam - which is mainly full of English tourists doing what English tourists do when they visit Amsterdam (which is not going to visit the Anne Frank house, which is really worth visiting)

I don't know anyone there (or here for that matter) who has gone off the rails due to smoking cannabis - I do know a few people who I won't go out with if there's alcohol involved though as they turn into complete arsewipes.

Oh, and you don't need to smoke it either ('cause I don't)

Steve

Dudley · 23 January, 2004, 08:29:12 PM

Personally I wouldnt lagalise it, decriminilisre it yes. Legalise it no. Legalising it would allow those that make profit from the sale of drugs useable....

Nah - decriminalisation means it stays in the hands of a network of dealers that cares nothing for the clientele and everything for increasing that clientele. Legalisation as a capital commodity would simply let the pharmaceutical companies do the same. Legalisation as a controlled substance (i.e. allowing it to be prescribed), thus banning advertising and making promotion of every type pointless and unprofitable, that's the way to go.

...Dudley

Slippery PD · 23 January, 2004, 08:36:08 PM

Maybe. But I remain unconvinved, the hands of pharmaceutical companies (and cigarette comapnies) are hardly blood free. Im not sure Id trust it their hands either.

But, the problem still remains why the gverment is advertising this and wasting our money in doing so. Just to clarify its position, seems more than a little odd.

Still why things like cannabis are illegal and killers like fags are legal is hypocracy of the highest order.....

Yer Slips