Extreme Edition #3

[Wake]

I've just split out the Invasion stories reprinted under individual titles. However, that means I need to look up previous reprints of Invasion to see which ones were collected there. Also, it looks like the total number of episodes has just reduced to 49 from 51, based on the jumps in 'The Prince'

Wake

[The Amstor Computer]

Logan:

Savage isn't listed in the "Pat Mills Creations" section of the character profiles page. He's listed as the writer on the first episode, but nearly every other episode - including all of Disaster 1990 - is credited to GFD.

As you say, it's likely Pat Mills had some involvement in rewriting the early scripts, and I'd guess that Kelvin Gosnell had a hand in the later Invasion episodes (given the tales about editorial rewrites of GFD's work)

Obviously, I don't know exactly how Savage came about, but I think it would be reasonable to suggest that his creation was likely to have been a group effort, with heavy editorial input. However, I think you could make a strong argument that he is GFD's character, just as I think most readers would consider that Dredd is Wagners.

Also, I'd be interested to know how this new story was commissioned - was it a request from the editor or was it a story proposal from Pat himself?

[Wake]

I didn't put Savage as a Pat Mills creation, not because I don't think he is the co-creator of the strip, but because it isn't a strip which was written exclusively (or near enough) by him, so I can't see that it would fall into the 'no fan-fiction' category.

If I'm asked to move it into that category, then I probably will.

Wake

[GordonR]

>>If I'm asked to move it into that category, then I probably will.

Oh for pete's sake...

[paulvonscott]

My guess (and it is that) is that Pat came up with the concept and helped develop it (getting involved in rewriting early episodes) and that GFD did the lions share of the writing.

[W. R. Logan]

If I had the spare cash I?d do a 2000AD related fanzine with nothing but Pat Mills related characters in and donate any proceeds made to religious and rape charities.

La Placa Rifa,
http://www.2000ad.nu/classof79/>W. R. Logan.

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[GordonR]

Who wrote Disaster 1990, which also featured Bill Savage?  I know it wasn't Pat, and was no longer even editor at the time.  Was it GFD?

IIRC, Pat's attitude was made clear in the declaration of war letter he sent about that Slaine fan-fic story, when he said as he was concerned there were two kinds of 2000AD characters, 'house' characters, and 'creator' characters.

'House' characters, like Dredd and Rogue, had been scripted and drawn by a number of different people, and were hence open to all comers, while 'creator' characters (ie. Pat's characters...  ;->) had been solely scripted by their original creator who had very definite ideas of where they were going and how they were supposed to be done, and were hence off-limits to anyone else.

By Pat's own definition, Savage is a house character, so it would be ludicrious for him suddenly to become a creator character with a fence put round him, a la Slaine fan-fic.  Nor, to be fair to Pat, do I think Pat would ever try to claim this.

Regarding later-day creator characters, I think Zenith, Dante and Sin-Dex would fall into the parameters he suggested.

And anyway, who the hell would want to write Bill Savage fan-fic in the first place?
Unless it was 'Lilly, Son of Bill:  Transsexual Taxi Driver With Attitude'.

[W. R. Logan]

>Who wrote Disaster 1990, which also featured Bill Savage? I know it wasn't Pat, and was no longer even editor at the time. Was it GFD?

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Invasion!
Disaster 1990
Progs 119 to 139
Script: Gerry Finley-Day
Artist: Carlos Pino, Mike White, Alan Willow


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[Dudley]

Sold!

[paulvonscott]

Largely GFD written.  

I largely agree with what you say Gordon, certainly can't see a claim to Savage being all his entirely possible, but as you say, he hasn't made that claim as far as we know.

I'd still like GFD back :(  Maybe it's best we just have the good memories.

I would disagree with Rogue, it was basically a one man show throughout the better part of it's history, and Dredd wasn't far different.  They became 'House' characters when Burt took over as far as I can see.  It seems once you let control go, then you lose the characters to a certain degree.

I also think that people leap too quickly to attack Pat for something he hasn't even done yet.

[BulletMonkey]

Anyone know if Cam Kennedy sells his artwork? Cos I'd buy that cover - best cover art on anything 2000AD related for a looong time.

[W. R. Logan]

>I also think that people leap too quickly to attack Pat for something he hasn't even done yet.

not attcking him, just said I wasnt excited about the forthcoming Savage strip.
What was the last decent thing Pat Mills wrote?

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

[GordonR]

>>I'd still like GFD back

Danger, danger, Will Robinson!

>>Maybe it's best we just have the good memories.

I think some things are maybe best left in the rosy glow of the past.  I think latter-day GFD might clash somewhat with the modern ethos of the comic and its readership tastes, to put it politely.

>>I would disagree with Rogue, it was basically a one man show throughout the better part of it's history, and Dredd wasn't far different. They became 'House' characters when Burt took over as far as I can see. It seems once you let control go, then you lose the characters to a certain degree.

That's surely what Pat's trying to protect himself against.

Regarding GFD,I recently re-read all the Rogue stuff again for the novel I was writing.  I've no idea why he and Rogue parted company (or why he basically stopped writing for 2000AD after that) but he was clearly running on empty towards tbe end of his very long run, and really toiling for story ideas.  It's no big surprise that they gave what was still a very popular strip to another writer to try and revitalise.

>>I also think that people leap too quickly to attack Pat for something he hasn't even done yet.

Agreed.  Especially when there's so many things he has done to leap to the attack about instead...  ;->

[Jared Katooie]

"And anyway, who the hell would want to write Bill Savage fan-fic in the first place?"

Gordon Rennie does! ;)

[W. R. Logan]

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http://www.camkennedy.com/>Cam Kennedy?s web page.
has details of stuff for sale such as The VC?s
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His entire run of Rogue art has been sold, there are Dredd pages up for grabs.


There?s an episode of Cams http://www.frothersunite.com/files/marbles/fanboy/FightingMann.html>Fighting Mann on Colonel Marbles website.

Nothing to do with anything just like the  pic and shows another style of Cams we rarely see.
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