I'm rereading this at the moment.
And because (take away my geek card) I think books are more valid when you make a cool film or tv show out of them, I'm wondering what to pick up.
I have a soft spot for the Lynch version despite its many flaws. Is there a good bluray with juicy extras and deleted scenes?
And what about the TV mini-series?
Plus how cool is it to say MUAD'DIB.
Go on, try it on for size.
I've always been a fan of the TV mini-Series over the movie for two reasons; it's significantly more accurate to the book, and William Hurt.
The mini series is more accurate (as far as it goes); the film is plotwise and in terms of accuracy a total failure. However some of the visuals from the film are memorable to say the least. Z
I always remember the attack on Paul when he is first on Arrakis. That shot of the hunter seeker's shadow moving across Paul's bed like some sort of striking serpent is superb a perfect show don't tell moment. The voiceover still jars for me and the concept of the whole thing is bonkers but I do still watch it when it comes on the Horror channel.
Lynch's Dune is flawed in extremes but I still find much to enjoy in it. Sure, it diverges from the novel a great deal but I always found the book to be a Tolkien level rambling mess anyway.
Dune is my favourite book and reread the chronicles on a regular basis. I'm up to God Emperor at the moment.
As for the film v the mini-series I think it's a matter of taking what you can out of both of them.
Visually I think Lynch's Dune is more in keeping with the story, but as Zen says the mini-series is more accurate. However, both ultimately fail in living up to the book.
If you have the time I say watch both. If you are only going to watch one then I say Lynch's Dune or the extended version if you have it.
Not sure any amount of textual accuracy is compensation for the widescreen cinematicality of the leaving Caladan (http://youtu.be/zQQQYx8pBYA) sequence. And Sting's pants.
It is a great film, deeply flawed but great. Z
As someone who's never read any of the novels, I always thought it was a shame they didn't make more Dune adaptations on SyFy, but SyFy were probably afraid it might attract science fiction fans to the channel*. I think the miniseries works better than the film as a story, but Lynch's sprawling, rambling, theatrical mess of a film is borderline hallucinogenic, and probably something you should watch at least once. Mad to think that it was supposed to be a rival to Star Wars at the time, complete with shiploads of toys and merchandise.
* This probably reads like snark - and it is a bit - but channels live or die by how they can track their audience demographics in order to price and sell advertising space, and an audience like "science fiction fans" is considered small compared to pro wrestling or reality tv viewers.
Don't know to Christ what you're doing to shark in that photo Bear, but the Harkonnens' would probably approve! Z :o :lol:
Quote from: Scolaighe Ó'Bear on 21 November, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
As someone who's never read any of the novels, I always thought it was a shame they didn't make more Dune adaptations on SyFy, but SyFy were probably afraid it might attract science fiction fans to the channel*.
Well, they did do Children of Dune too
I'm sure you mean Dune: Apocalypse.
Quote from: ZenArcade on 21 November, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Don't know to Christ what you're doing to shark in that photo Bear, but the Harkonnens' would probably approve! Z :o :lol:
:lol:
Also if you're interested, Jodorwosky's Dune is on Netflix I believe. It shows what his film would have been like. It wouldn't have been Dune, but it looked mad and interesting.
Missed this in QFT (Belfast). Still raging. Dune would be hard to translate properly on to the silver screen but I feel it is doable. Z
nb: as long as that talentless fucking pirate of a son of his and his sidekick hack pal Anderson don't get within a heighliner jump of it.
Quote from: ZenArcade on 21 November, 2015, 03:29:49 PM
Missed this in QFT (Belfast). Still raging. Dune would be hard to translate properly on to the silver screen but I feel it is doable. Z
nb: as long as that talentless fucking pirate of a son of his and his sidekick hack pal Anderson don't get within a heighliner jump of it.
Spoken like one of the faithful! :)
One of the original Quizara. Z
Achlan, Wasachlan!
Subhan'Allah. Z
For some reason the full movie is up on YouTube.
Are those legal?
Watched a bit of one called Ultimate Version which has a crappy second narration, what I assume are deleted scenes inserted and some sketches adding pointless basil.
My goodness I had forgotten how bonkers a lot of it is and what a marvellous cast it has (noteable exception is Jose Ferrer who genuinely seems to be reading straight from an autocue).
And what about the production design. Just gorgeous.
I think as long as they use the Smithee version it's fine. Lynch as pretty much washed his hands of the whole thing.
I believe the Ultimate version is one cobbled together from several sources.
And yes, it's unbelievably gorgeous. With the exception of a few details Lynch got the look of Dune right.
Just got this link from the Inexile website catching up on Bard's Tale Four......
This man looks like he wants Dune made in his own artistic colourful vision and based on what I seen, it reminds me of the art-work I've seen accompanying Isaac Isimovs[/b[ novels and old sci-fi art work books looked through my school library while in early high school.
Jodorowsky's Dune (2014) - HD Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4OCeSTL08)
Not really sure of ligitimacy of it yet, but!
I think that's a documentary about his attempt to get Dune made in the early seventies.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 18 December, 2015, 06:25:43 PM
I think that's a documentary about his attempt to get Dune made in the early seventies.
It is and it's great.
Necropost but I thought if we don't already have a thread about Dune (2020), this might do.
Denis Villeneuve directing and my word, what a cast! (Lunches was similarly blessed)
But December 23rd is a long way off.
(https://i.imgur.com/TbC9X5R.jpg)
Lovely. And our own PJ Holden has amended it very nicely on his Twitter.
Wasn't interested in seeing this till they announced Denis Villeneuve as directing, so at the very least it will be gorgeous and brilliantly directed. Fingers crossed.
Someone reconstructed this logo at high res, but left out the spaceship. It did the rounds on twitter, by the time it arrived at me people where assuming the de-stemmed E (without the spaceship) was the official logo, lots of people complained about it looking like DUNC rather than DUNE - so I edited that fan logo, adding a stem to all the letters,to correct that fault in the FAN edit. (which mean adding an Art Deco like stem to every letter)
I really like the official logo, it's great.
Quote from: pauljholden on 30 January, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Someone reconstructed this logo at high res, but left out the spaceship. It did the rounds on twitter, by the time it arrived at me people where assuming the de-stemmed E (without the spaceship) was the official logo, lots of people complained about it looking like DUNC rather than DUNE - so I edited that fan logo, adding a stem to all the letters,to correct that fault in the FAN edit. (which mean adding an Art Deco like stem to every letter)
I really like the official logo, it's great.
Ah!
Yes, agree on the Official logo, it is lovely.
Actually now I've had a better look I think it's a planet, rather than a spaceship, which makes more sense.
I wonder if this will suffer from "It's not a remake!" syndrome that DREDD 3D had to deal with.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 30 January, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
I wonder if this will suffer from "It's not a remake!" syndrome that DREDD 3D had to deal with.
Probably not. The Lynch version is already just one of a number of adaptations, and it's reputation is somewhat wonky (wrongly so).
The book of Dune - first volume, is almost at the top of the reading pile. I look forward to actually understanding the next film.
Quote from: pauljholden on 30 January, 2020, 10:46:57 AM
Actually now I've had a better look I think it's a planet, rather than a spaceship, which makes more sense.
That may be Habbanya Ridge.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 30 January, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
I wonder if this will suffer from "It's not a remake!" syndrome that DREDD 3D had to deal with.
Nope. Apart from the distance of decades and the differences in cast and vision, no one remembers Dune 84 in the way the Stallone job became a well cycled cable TV re-run and internet meme-fest.
I first read Dune at the age of twelve while on a family holiday in the Isle of Man. I can still recall my mother berating me for being anti-social, just because I was perfectly happy to just stay in the hotel room reading that wonderful, engrossing novel than bother going out and doing-family-on-holiday-stuff. Over forty years later and I still prefer books to people any day.
Quote from: paddykafka on 31 January, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
I first read Dune at the age of twelve while on a family holiday in the Isle of Man. I can still recall my mother berating me for being anti-social, just because I was perfectly happy to just stay in the hotel room reading that wonderful, engrossing novel than bother going out and doing-family-on-holiday-stuff. Over forty years later and I still prefer books to people any day.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
Books are way better than people. But also, books are written by people. I am still confounded by this enigma.
Quote from: Richard on 31 January, 2020, 09:35:49 PM
Books are way better than people.
I thought that was reindeer.
Quote from: paddykafka on 31 January, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
I first read Dune at the age of twelve while on a family holiday in the Isle of Man. I can still recall my mother berating me for being anti-social, just because I was perfectly happy to just stay in the hotel room
Sounds a look like my holidays around that time. Tbh my idea of the perfect holiday is still a nice quite location with a fridge full of beers and a pile of good reading material.
Quote from: Richard on 31 January, 2020, 09:35:49 PM
Books are way better than people.
You haven't discovered Savoy (https://www.savoy.abel.co.uk/1book.html) yet, have you?
There's a certain David Britton book that you might be interested in knowing about... :D And then there's Chuck Palahniuk, whose Guts is an essential read.
"Better" is a very subjective term.
Thank you Gary!
Pimping Savoy everwhere isn't entirely altruistic, as I want people to buy enough of their books that a collected edition of the comics becomes a viable proposition - there's no way I can justify shelling out fifty quid on each floppy, and rumors and speculation in recent years about the state of their business haven't been brilliant.
The first pictures of some of the actors in their suits have gone up. Looks pretty darned good.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/04/behold-dune-an-exclusive-look-at-timothee-chalamet-zendaya-oscar-isaac?fbclid=IwAR3mwBFfrG5eEBtpcf1O4RN4BZ_-HhklFouFlu_QucfM_7OtADDf8DAyA1I
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 14 April, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
The first pictures of some of the actors in their suits have gone up. Looks pretty darned good.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/04/behold-dune-an-exclusive-look-at-timothee-chalamet-zendaya-oscar-isaac?fbclid=IwAR3mwBFfrG5eEBtpcf1O4RN4BZ_-HhklFouFlu_QucfM_7OtADDf8DAyA1I
I came to post the exact same thing. I agree, the stilsuits do look good. Much closer to the image I have in my mind from the book than either the film or miniseries. Good to see the hoods and facemasks.
The big question is, though, will the 'thopters have wings?
Quote from: Professor Bear on 21 November, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
but Lynch's sprawling, rambling, theatrical mess of a film is borderline hallucinogenic, and probably something you should watch at least once. Mad to think that it was supposed to be a rival to Star Wars at the time, complete with shiploads of toys and merchandise.
Not to mention sticker books given away with comics ;)
Here is the trailer for the upcoming movie:
http://www.comicon.com/2020/09/09/the-dune-trailer-has-awakened/ (http://www.comicon.com/2020/09/09/the-dune-trailer-has-awakened/)
I looks good, but I have reservations.
Have to say, I felt a little unmoved by the trailer, then again the whole concept of Dune has always left me a little cold.
Couldn't get on with the books and I was pretty unimpressed with the David Lynch take on the material.
I've watched it a few times now and it's leaving me rather flat. It's always a bad sign when you start laughing at a trailer that's meant to be serious. Someone should pass Momoa a jar of mustard.
That trailer is a bit incoherent. Not too impressed.
I don't know anything about Dune, haven't read the books, but that just reminds me of those John Carter/Jonah Hex type films that came out a while ago - something to watch on Netflix while you're doing your ironing that you don't really remember next day when someone asks what you've watched recently.
The trailer is fine and I am looking forward for this. What I do think does not work in this trailer is the choice of music ;always an important part of a successful movie/trailer.
I loved the music, very appropriate, but it does create a worrying resemblance to the awesome-but-ill-fated Valerian trailer (I liked V&TCoaTP, but I may have been alone in that). It helps that I'm not the biggest fan of the books (I struggled after the first, despite liking Herbert's shorter stuff), so I'm just looking for some spicy dynastic messianic spectacle.
I read the books about 25 years ago. I enjoyed it at the time but it is still Herbert's writing style is for me quite heavy if you compare it to both Asimov and Clarke.
I'm reminded of the 'Shut Up & Sit Down' review of the Dune boardgame where Quinns said: "If you've not read the Dune novels then I fully recommend the first half of the first book."
'Blade Runner 2049' didn't massively connect with the movie-going public, and I have an irrational feeling the same thing will happen here. That said, everything looks solid.
My guess is that the cast will save it at the Box Office/Streaming Service. Chalamet and Zendaya are a winning couple for the Disney Channel generation, and Isaac and Momoa remain a perennial attraction for the ladyfolk (my subset of same anyway). Plus Bautista, Skarsgard and of course Rampling for the discerning gentleman.
I'm looking forward to this. The worm looks brilliant, Paul looks fey, plus Charlotte Rampling. No Feyd Rautha though? I'm assuming they're combining two characters to have Rabban pull double nephew duty.
The thing I like about the worm is that it's not overdesigned. It is what it is.
Totally agree.
How can any film with a giant worm in it not be worth watching?
Just looks like a remastered version of lynchs.
The trailer shows all the same key scenes and then they go a reveal the worm design at the end.... meh.
Still obvs will give it a shot, Lynch's version remains great fun so let's hope this is.
I don't mind it being a bit like the Lynch version. That film is such a weird mix of absolute excellence and head scratching awfulness, something along the same lines that corrects the bad bits (unintelligible plot, unless you've read the book, and the rain ending) would be perfect for me.
Still love the 84 film, and have learnt to overlook the bad bits, but this could build on those foundations and be truly great 👍🏻
Quote from: MumboJimbo on 10 September, 2020, 11:53:10 AM
I don't mind it being a bit like the Lynch version. That film is such a weird mix of absolute excellence and head scratching awfulness...
Perfect review.
At least the 'Thopters have wings.
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 10 September, 2020, 10:05:48 AM
I'm looking forward to this. The worm looks brilliant, Paul looks fey, plus Charlotte Rampling. No Feyd Rautha though? I'm assuming they're combining two characters to have Rabban pull double nephew duty.
Since the film only covers the first half of the first book, I presume
Feyd won't have a role until maybe the second film – if it gets made.
In the book we meet Feyd in the second chapter. Maybe they're going to CGI a young Sting back in the role.
I can see how you could use Rabban as an antagonist for film #1 and then Feyd for film #2 but without having him in this one in foreshadowing role it'd risk just looking like the Baron pulls another nephew out of the ether whenever he needs one.
I'm not sure who could better Sting's but tradition says he should be played by a British musician. Harry Styles.
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 11 September, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
I'm not sure who could better Sting's but tradition says he should be played by a British musician. Harry Styles.
That there's Mayor talk, Barrington.
Noted.
As for Dune - I read the first book recently and must admit that I was impressed. I loved the world building but only doing the first half of the book? Really?Presumably the break will be when Paul starts his new life with the Fremen? Thereby allowing for time to pass before the (hopefully) second film allowing for the cast to alter physically.
I feel that the only legitimate criticism of Lynch's version is that it's just too damn brilliant.
Coming from that standpoint, this trailer doesn't really impress. It seems pretty bland to me.
Still, I wish the film well because the source material is excellent and also because if the movie bombs and the sequel never get made then that would be horrible for all concerned.
As seems to be the other option, a continuation will probably end up on HBOMAX.
More footage in this Stephen Colbert interview with the cast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjLijCWt76o
Whether the whole film will be good who knows but the trailer certainly makes it look worth watching at least.