I'm not sure what to make of all this... Everyone loves Judge Death; Fear, Fire and Mortis were great additions, but I didn't even particularly like the Sisters of Death, so nine new Dark Judges seems to be over-egging the pudding somewhat.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50804
Yup.
From what's been said with that bunch, the less you know about them, the more effective they seem to be.
I think having anonymous Dark Judge Drones could have worked, but nine more in the vein of Judge Choke?
Skullmo and I figured this out last night. The other nine are:
Judge Choke
Judge Bruise
Judge Internal Bleeding
Judge IBS
Judge Near Miss
Judge Static Shock
Judge Sharp Slap
Judge Funny Bone
Judge Piles
Sadly, Judge Cramp didn't quite make the grade!
Yeah, read that last night and nearly choked.
Don't know if I'm against the idea of more Dark Judges just cause its IDW Dredd, or if it's how I really feel.
By the way, I have vague recollections of different Dark Judges (Judge 'Drac', 'Hate'...?) in a Dredd story from an alternate Judda dimension. Think Brett Ewins drew it, can't quite recall.
Can we now have 9 more members of the angel gang please.
I still betting we'll be getting one new Dark Judge of our own in a few months- PJ Maybe.
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 February, 2014, 09:03:47 AM
Can we now have 9 more members of the angel gang please.
Pa
Fink
Mean Machine
Link
Junior
Uncle Albert
Lionel Richie
...I forget the rest
Quote from: ming on 11 February, 2014, 08:45:10 AM
I'm not sure what to make of all this...
A paper aeroplane, a jaunty hat or maybe kindling ?
I feel a bit dirty for enabling IDW by maintaining my subscription to the main strip and now morbid fascination means I'll probably continue. It's all a bit Mark Millar isn't it. What's better than 4 Dark Judges, lets have 13.
Maybe it's all part of some 'Amps to Eleven' mockumentary and we've all been cleverly duped.
Nigel: The Dark Judges all go to thirteen. Look, right across the board, thirteen, thirteen, thirteen and...
Martin: Oh, I see. And most people agree that there should just be four?
Nigel: Exactly.
Martin: Does that mean they're scarier? Are they any scarier?
Nigel: Well, more are scarier, aren't they? It's not four. You see, most Dark Judging, you know, will be done with four. You're on four here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on four with your Dark Judging. Where can you go from there? Where?
Martin: I don't know.
Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Martin: Put it up to thrirteen.
Nigel: Thriteen. Exactly. Nine scarier.
Martin: Why don't you just make four scarier and make four be the top number and make that a little scarier?
[Pause.]
Nigel: These go to thirteen.
Where's the like button dammit. Maybe Nigel could be one of the Dark Judges, what with the tshirt he's wearing in that scene.
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 11 February, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
Skullmo and I figured this out last night. The other nine are:
Judge Choke
Judge Bruise
Judge Internal Bleeding
Judge IBS
Judge Near Miss
Judge Static Shock
Judge Sharp Slap
Judge Funny Bone
Judge Piles
Sadly, Judge Cramp didn't quite make the grade!
Ha Ha! Funneh.
Coincidenatally, I was thinking recently that in order to become a serious threat to Mega City One, the Dark Judges would have to increase their numbers. Surely it took more than four of them to completely wipe out the entire population of Deadworld? A few more could be drafted in to help out in MC1.
Imagine the scenes as huge swathes of undead, unkillable murder-machines rampaged through the streets, bringing jusssstice to all.
Hmm, not keen on this.
I'd bet money on one of them being 'Judge Ice'.
So this is an actual thing, is it?
Amazing.
Quote from: radiator on 11 February, 2014, 09:40:05 AM
Hmm, not keen on this.
I'd bet money on one of them being 'Judge Ice'.
Judge Frostbite! He'll take you toes, he'll take your fingers! You'll never wear glasses again!
I quite like the idea of Judge Wedgie or possibly the slightly competitive testicle-kicking Judge Roshambo.
Judge Stub-Your-Toe: "FEAR THE POWER OF JUDGE STUB-YOUR-TOE!"
*Citizen stubs his toe*.
Citizen: "Ow"
Judge Stub-Your-Toe: "MWAHAHAHAHA!"
*Judge Death shakes his head slowly, regretting the day he lowered the bar to Dark Judge entry*
Judge Fire: "We did warn you this would happen, Sidney."
Judge Death: "I know."
Judge Fire: "We did say that—"
Judge Death: "Yes, I know, all right? Oh, what now? Why are all the citizens running around in circles, waving their arms about, rather than fleeing in terror?"
Judge Fear: "That'll be Judge Makes-You-Think-A-Wasp-Is-Nearby."
Judge Death: "Oh, sod this. Anyone got Anderson's phone number?"
Judge Smoke - I can't help but think he's going to be used as an anti-smoking propaganda tool! Or maybe he's there to encourage more Mortal Kombat fans into reading. I await 'judges' Noob-Saibot and Rain with no interest whatsoever.
Cheers
Will they be wearing tights and capes?
Maybe they could have a Dark Judges cave just outside Megacity 1.
:o
Judge Type Two Diabetes. Actually better at giving you heart attacks than Death.
Quote from: ming on 11 February, 2014, 09:20:42 AM
Nigel: The Dark Judges all go to thirteen. Look, right across the board, thirteen, thirteen, thirteen and...
Martin: Oh, I see. And most people agree that there should just be four?
Nigel: Exactly.
Martin: Does that mean they're scarier? Are they any scarier?
Nigel: Well, more are scarier, aren't they? It's not four. You see, most Dark Judging, you know, will be done with four. You're on four here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on four with your Dark Judging. Where can you go from there? Where?
Martin: I don't know.
Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Martin: Put it up to thrirteen.
Nigel: Thriteen. Exactly. Nine scarier.
Martin: Why don't you just make four scarier and make four be the top number and make that a little scarier?
[Pause.]
Nigel: These go to thirteen.
Brilliant :lol:
OK, so Ming wins this thread.
Definitely 'Judge Curse'
Dredd: Step away from the Citizen Judge Curse
Judge Curse: Just f**k off Dredd you utter c*nt
Surely thats Judge Capaldi?
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 11 February, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
Skullmo and I figured this out last night. The other nine are:
Judge Choke
Judge Bruise
Judge Internal Bleeding
Judge IBS
Judge Near Miss
Judge Static Shock
Judge Sharp Slap
Judge Funny Bone
Judge Piles
Sadly, Judge Cramp didn't quite make the grade!
HaHa! Judge Cramp should definitely be included - he would have to do that funny walk when you jump out of bed with foot cramp. Actually, that could probably lead to some great deaths for an artist to do - someone's muscles tearing them apart! :o
I would like to add Judge Papercut - because its the worst type of cut. ;)
Well, there's plenty of room for more modern horrors here, to be fair.
Judge Posting Pictures of Your Dinner on Facebook!
Judge Saying Things Like 'Kray-Kray' and 'Totes'!
JUDGE MICHAEL MCINTYRE!
JUDGE MRS BROWN'S BOYS!
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 February, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
Well, there's plenty of room for more modern horrors here, to be fair.
Judge Posting Pictures of Your Dinner on Facebook!
You claiming
Judge Watson is from Deadworld?
Judge Neknominate. "I have drunk the whisssskey mixed with afterssshhhave and vimto and now YOU must drink the pint of vodka, pissssss and goldfissshhhh!"
What with this and the Almost Human thread, there's some comedy gold on the forum at the moment.
*Goes to look up Fistula* Oh, ok.
Judge Erectile Dysfunction. Suddenly the cod piece can be forgiven.
13 badges = 4 Dark Judges + 9 new ones!
I'm guessing how this will play out as I've not read any of the ongoing IDW main Dredd series, and 'wild speculation is something I indulge in on occasion.
Cheers
Now if I've got this right...
Judge Girlfriends Friend
Judge Ex Mrs
Judge Line Manager From Your Job
Judge People Talking On The Quiet Carriage
Judge Friend Zone
Judge Itchy Arse
Judge Spiteful Bastard
Etc
This horror story was known about (apart from the names) back in November, when they showed this cover!
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31/1399602_10202701078392444_1981302507_o.jpg)
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/judge-dredd-17-dark-judges-judge-fistula-idw-628x744.jpg?9098e0)
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Judge-Sleep-600x813.jpg?9098e0)
I had to check those via google to believe what I was seeing was true :o
Nopenopenope, stop talking, go to jail!
:o
Is there seriously a Judge Sleep?
Seriously? :|
Quote from: Beeks on 11 February, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Is there seriously a Judge Sleep?
Seriously? :|
The crime is being up and about at a reasonable time, the sentence is a lay in...
The thing is...you had to really stretch to the Dark Judges already...This just makes an unabashed mockery of them
Very disappointing
Had to check the calendar, thought it was 1st April already.
Wow. This reminds me of the bikers trying to name themselves in Good Omens.
Well, FISTULA is probably not the best of names I'll admit, but design wise I recon they look pretty damn good.
I'm going to take the seemingly unpopular approach of waiting to read it first before slating it ;-)
Quote from: Teivion on 11 February, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
I'm going to take the seemingly unpopular approach of waiting to read it first before slating it ;-)
If they had made a good fist of the stories up to now I'd be with you all the way.
Quote from: Teivion on 11 February, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
Well, FISTULA is probably not the best of names I'll admit, but design wise I recon they look pretty damn good.
I'm going to take the seemingly unpopular approach of waiting to read it first before slating it ;-)
Is that you Judge 'Fly In The Face Of Popular Opinion'? ;)
Who will make a Judge Fistula costume for the convention scene?
Admittedly the designs are great.
I don't think it's slating so much as amused surprise (personally anyway, I don't care either way, it just made me chuckle). Nine new characters is a lot, it seems there should be a good reason for each of them.
I'm not sure sleep is an actual cause of injury or death on the whole though. Judge Tsetse, perhaps...?
Quote from: Jon on 11 February, 2014, 03:54:27 PM
I'm not sure sleep is an actual cause of injury or death on the whole though. Judge Tsetse, perhaps...?
I've got two kids under 4 years old, personally i'd welcome Judge Sleep with open arms
Some ingenious hilarity on this thread! :D
However, as we've already seen 8 Dark Judges in the core strip, what's 5 more between friends? I'm obviously including Kraken/Dredd, Phobia, Nausea and Hysteria here, only somewhat tongue-in-cheek with the last one.
More seriously, with those precedents you could plausibly go all Greek spirits who are the personification of causes of death / on the concept, and have Adephagia (death by gluttony), Lupe (death by grief), Judges Himeros (death by lust), Dolos (death by trickery), Ate (death by delusion), Aregia (death by sloth) and Ania (death by pain). It's all a bit cenobitey, but there's plenty of scope to move beyond fire, decay, terror, more terror, sickess and madness.
Heh- me too, much more fun than In The Night Garden ;-)
Its funny that seeing as Death is always held as the Most Popular Villain/ story, how many people actually on here don't seem to agree.
As has been mentioned before, their names alone seem too convenient, but that doesn't seem any less believable than a city full of apes......;-)
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 February, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
Some ingenious hilarity on this thread! :D
However, as we've already seen 8 Dark Judges in the core strip, what's 5 more between friends? I'm obviously including Kraken/Dredd, Phobia, Nausea and Hysteria here, only somewhat tongue-in-cheek with the last one.
More seriously, with those precedents you could plausibly go all Greek spirits who are the personification of causes of death / on the concept, and have Adephagia (death by gluttony), Lupe (death by grief), Judges Himeros (death by lust), Dolos (death by trickery), Ate (death by delusion), Aregia (death by sloth) and Ania (death by pain). It's all a bit cenobitey, but there's plenty of scope to move beyond fire, decay, terror, more terror, sickess and madness.
GENIUS- You get my vote for clever-sod-of-the-year-so-far
Quote from: Jon on 11 February, 2014, 03:54:27 PMI'm not sure sleep is an actual cause of injury or death on the whole though.
As you say,
Sleep is not the most terrifying concept for a Dark Judge, but when combined with his Dark Brethren, Grumpy and Sneezy, he's a force to be reckoned with.
Anyway, as Tordelback indicates, there
is still potential for expanding the Dark Judges beyond what we've seen before, and I much prefer the idea of those he listed to Sleep and Choke. I could see Adephagia and Dolos working particularly well...
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 February, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
More seriously, with those precedents you could plausibly go all Greek spirits who are the personification of causes of death / on the concept, and have Adephagia (death by gluttony), Lupe (death by grief), Judges Himeros (death by lust), Dolos (death by trickery), Ate (death by delusion), Aregia (death by sloth) and Ania (death by pain). It's all a bit cenobitey, but there's plenty of scope to move beyond fire, decay, terror, more terror, sickess and madness.
And pretty telling it took someone on here no time at all to come up with a far superior idea then what we're seeing.
I suppose when you think about it, it is quite a novel concept: A resurrected, immortal dead man with special powers, accompanied by twelve trusted followers who help him judge everyone else.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 February, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
I suppose when you think about it, it is quite a novel concept: A resurrected, immortal dead man with special powers, accompanied by twelve trusted followers who help him judge everyone else.
Judge Zombie Jesus? *applause*
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 February, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
I suppose when you think about it, it is quite a novel concept: A resurrected, immortal dead man with special powers, accompanied by twelve trusted followers who help him judge everyone else.
Nice. I'd expect no less from you, Jayzus.
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 February, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
you could plausibly go all Greek spirits who are the personification of causes of death / on the concept, and have Adephagia (death by gluttony), Lupe (death by grief), Judges Himeros (death by lust), Dolos (death by trickery), Ate (death by delusion), Aregia (death by sloth) and Ania (death by pain). It's all a bit cenobitey, but there's plenty of scope to move beyond fire, decay, terror, more terror, sickess and madness.
Is it too late to let
TordelBack write the comic instead? Many thanks for a read which had me pissing myself with laughter, guys - by which I mean you lot, not IDW.
A Fistula is an abnormal connection between one part of the body and another. Anyone who has had the misfortune to suffer from an anal fistula will attest to their nastiness. By the time they get to the stage shown in the IDW illustration it's probably time to consult a doctor.
Gaze into the fistula of Dredd...
(http://[url=http://s157.photobucket.com/user/judgestewart/media/Judge-Stigmata_zps21f5a52d.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/judgestewart/Judge-Stigmata_zps21f5a52d.jpg)[/URL][/img]
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/judgestewart/Judge-Stigmata_zps21f5a52d.jpg)
I think he got the point...
I'm just glad they haven't put 13 variant covers out :o
Quote from: gronk guy on 11 February, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/judgestewart/Judge-Stigmata_zps21f5a52d.jpg)
Oh dear. :(
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 February, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: gronk guy on 11 February, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/judgestewart/Judge-Stigmata_zps21f5a52d.jpg)
Oh dear. :(
Just wait untill you see Judge Skinner. I actually facepalmed when I saw him.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/aa31c52d7a9a9701986401478de7c598/tumblr_n0ufzmM4aE1qf427ko2_500.jpg)
WTF is this shit?
Someone make this the next art comp...show 'em how it's done.
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 11 February, 2014, 07:45:25 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/aa31c52d7a9a9701986401478de7c598/tumblr_n0ufzmM4aE1qf427ko2_500.jpg)
Oooh, Pat's not going to like that one.
Needs more quad bikes. And a psi-shield.
http://youtu.be/HO3Q5gi1GKY
I wish I sounded like Super Nintendo Chalmers.
dear god, what have we done to deserve that lot?
Well, I for one can't get enough of these slightly identical pictures of slightly whitedead-faced white guys with slightly rubbish Judge names.
More, I say!
I'm just waiting for Judge Hanky the Christmas Poo
They're no more ridiculous or camp than the original foursome. Just unnecessary really, and too specific in what they are.
Having a specific medical condition as a Judge is a bit weird - especially something like Fistula.
Anyway, it's given me a laugh. I don't read the main IDW strip and we've got Dark Justice this year.
It's just a shame they didn't take a leaf out of Rich and Conor's Dark Judgement, which for my money has been the best treatment of the Dark Judges have been since Necropolis.
Quote from: Beeks on 11 February, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
I'm just waiting for Judge Hanky the Christmas Poo
Or Judge
Fudge ;)
I haven't looked at the last few pages of this thread, but I'm hoping the new Dark Judge team includes a half-naked pirate and a rubber johnny full of guts. Fingers crossed, anyway
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 February, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
They're no more ridiculous or camp than the original foursome.
I beg to differ. :o
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/02/Judge-Burroughs.jpg)
I actually like that last one! :lol:
And Jayzus man, you're on top form today.
Is this a Zombeaver tie-in?
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 February, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
They're no more ridiculous or camp than the original foursome. Just unnecessary really, and too specific in what they are.
Yeah; at least the original 4/6 were a little more 'elemental' or reflected pscyhoses.
Not sure I'd be quaking in my boots in fear of Judgement from
Judge Hemorrhoid. Preparation H should be an adequate weapon.
Ah, but what you don't know about Judge Burroughs is that he's half mole, half hamster, really tiny and dispatches his victims by crawling up their jacksies and eating them from the inside out.
Having thought about it, I'm probably right, unfortunately.
:o
I like his suspenders. Nothing screams "evil" like suspenders.
Hot off the press! A tenth IDW DARK JUDGE!!!
Even Judge Burdis can't stop this one...
...
JUDGE SPOKES!!!
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/68C2B042-9EAC-4A1A-A25A-0F3FA9015EBC_zpswzfwloaj.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/68C2B042-9EAC-4A1A-A25A-0F3FA9015EBC_zpswzfwloaj.jpg.html)
;)
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 February, 2014, 09:32:46 PM
I actually like that last one! :lol:
And Jayzus man, you're on top form today.
I'm here all week ;)
And Shaolin Monkey, I quite literally laughed out loud.
Wow. Roderick really let himself go in later years. :o
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 11 February, 2014, 09:53:22 PM
Even Judge Burdis can't stop this one...
Brilliant - I love how Burdis has Oor Wullie's hair for a beard.
No lights either... typical.
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 February, 2014, 10:13:17 PM
No lights either... typical.
Well he is a DARK Judge after all. None of that dayglo nonsense for him, as he comes speeding at you down pedways.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 11 February, 2014, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 February, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
They're no more ridiculous or camp than the original foursome.
I beg to differ. :o
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/02/Judge-Burroughs.jpg)
Judge Burroughs . . . as in William Burroughs?
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 February, 2014, 10:24:03 PM
Judge Burroughs . . . as in William Burroughs?
The hint is that he's a mutant mole of some kind.
Burroughs– puntastic, isn't it...
His power is the ability to shoot a glass of water balanced on his wife's head. And miss.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 February, 2014, 03:51:52 PM
Who will make a Judge Fistula costume for the convention scene?
Take your helmet off?
I quite like Sleep as a design. Nice zombie.
Quite like it, in a "I quite like bourbon biscuits" kind of way. ie. I would never choose to have one because there are always better alternatives.
Latest is online, Judge Sludge and I'm sure you'll all recognize him!
I like the look of this. I haven't bought any of the IDW Dredd ongoing series so I may get it for this.
I've been enjoying the revelations all day. It's like new X-Men. :lol:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 February, 2014, 01:49:19 AM
Latest is online, Judge Sludge and I'm sure you'll all recognize him!
Hi is a bit 'swampy' isn't he! :o
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 11 February, 2014, 11:22:58 PM
Quite like it, in a "I quite like bourbon biscuits" kind of way. ie. I would never choose to have one because there are always better alternatives.
Killer metaphor.
Judge Burroughs - one touch and your confidence is fatally undermined.
(been saving that all night)
Dunk!
Fistulas, Naked Mole Rats, Having no skin, Sleeping, Stigmata - Shurley these are the 3am fears of a comic writer in his early twenties not one middle-aged?
Dunk!
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 12 February, 2014, 06:51:09 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 11 February, 2014, 11:22:58 PM
Quite like it, in a "I quite like bourbon biscuits" kind of way. ie. I would never choose to have one because there are always better alternatives.
Killer metaphor.
Why thank you. The best line like that isn't mine though. It was a PC Gamer editor who said: "I don't play Football Manager for the same reason I don't smoke crack."
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 11 February, 2014, 10:11:56 PM
I love how Burdis has Oor Wullie's hair for a beard.
Me too. Hey, have you seen Shaolin Monkey's cartoon?
I'm guessing Judge Burroughs will be killed by Dredd with a Law-Shovel. "Curssessss!"
Off-duty Dredd vs. Burroughs...
(http://i.imgur.com/xCAu2w8.jpg)
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 11 February, 2014, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 February, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
They're no more ridiculous or camp than the original foursome.
I beg to differ. :o
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/02/Judge-Burroughs.jpg)
Misread that as Judge Burdis!!! :-X
Quote from: Trout Trousers on 12 February, 2014, 01:52:03 AM
I like the look of this. I haven't bought any of the IDW Dredd ongoing series so I may get it for this.
I've been enjoying the revelations all day. It's like new X-Men. :lol:
One thing's quite interesting—with these things being posted to the 2000 AD Facebook feed, lapsed readers and presumably also anyone not paying attention seem to think this is what
2000 AD has come to these days. Given the upcoming Dark Judges reboot by Wagner/Staples (assuming Staples finishes the art before the heat death of the universe), it's curious timing.
It's also curious how dodgy this central Dredd comic is, given the quality of the Mars Attacks four-parter and the fairly good Year One. Still, the comic continues to be released, so they must be doing something right in terms of finding an audience.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 February, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
lapsed readers and presumably also anyone not paying attention seem to think this is what 2000 AD has come to these days.
You'd be surprised how readily people on the FB page misunderstand, wilfully or otherwise, anything we do. As for the new IDW Dark Judges, all the evidence we have points to this being a major draw for readers in the States who have previously not picked up the ongoing Dredd title, which is only to the good.
'baby' and 'bathwater' spring to mind. I remember the boohaha around Rambo playing Dredd, surely a good thing all that publicity...
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 February, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
It's also curious how dodgy this central Dredd comic is, given the quality of the Mars Attacks four-parter and the fairly good Year One. Still, the comic continues to be released, so they must be doing something right in terms of finding an audience.
Perhaps if you'd never read any Dredd before, the IDW comic might seem quite original and unique next to all the superhero guff they get over in the US?
It's mainly the fact that we've been spoilt with years of exceptional high quality Dredd that makes this stuff read like a piss-poor tribute band.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 12 February, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
'baby' and 'bathwater' spring to mind. I remember the boohaha around Rambo playing Dredd, surely a good thing all that publicity...
No such thing etc.
ah, the old Oscar defence ;)
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 11:18:27 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 12 February, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
'baby' and 'bathwater' spring to mind. I remember the boohaha around Rambo playing Dredd, surely a good thing all that publicity...
No such thing etc.
I don't know, Leeds council spent a lot of money on getting rid of any Saville references....
That's going to become the new Hitlerisation, isn't it?
Hey! Judge Saville! That'd be terrifying!
now then now then...
Its shawaddywaddywaddy, i feel sorry for!
Quote from: Jon on 12 February, 2014, 11:36:03 AM
I don't know, Leeds council spent a lot of money on getting rid of any Saville references....
Um...
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 February, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
lapsed readers and presumably also anyone not paying attention seem to think this is what 2000 AD has come to these days.
You'd be surprised how readily people on the FB page misunderstand, wilfully or otherwise, anything we do.
Seems to be quite a high number of laped readers on the FB page. I suppose you sign up for the site, click a ton of stuff you used to like because you think that's what you should do - Monster Munch, Ulysess 31, 2000AD, etc... then you're suddenly getting notifications from it, even though you've not actually read an issue since the 80s.
Hence all the '2000AD is still being published?!' 'I thought Johnny Alpha was dead?' 'Wait, since when is there a new Dredd film?'
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
Hence all the '2000AD is still being published?!' 'I thought Johnny Alpha was dead?' 'Wait, since when is there a new Dredd film?'
Welcome to the depressing side of my job ;) Still that does mean more people to try and tempt back into the fold :D
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 11:55:21 AM
till that does mean more people to try and tempt back into the fold :D
Only challenges, eh?
Cheers!
Jim
I suppose 2000AD itself has had more than it's fair share of daft plot developments over the years. If the stories that result are good, people tend to accept them.
This is all happening in an alternate universe to mine; I don't have time/money to buy the non-2000AD products but I do wish them all the best (fistulas and all).
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 11:02:44 AMYou'd be surprised how readily people on the FB page misunderstand, wilfully or otherwise, anything we do.
I've been in marketing and journo land for 13 years now. It takes a lot to surprise me. But that certainly doesn't stop me facepalming for Britain every time I venture on to the 2000 AD Facebook page and stupidly read the comments.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2014, 11:47:02 AMHence all the '2000AD is still being published?!' 'I thought Johnny Alpha was dead?' 'Wait, since when is there a new Dredd film?'
The one that irks me is the all-too-regular: "I haven't read 2000 AD since 1986, but all the new stuff is shit and it was better in the old days." Just like music. And TV. And Spangles.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 February, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
I'm hoping the new Dark Judge team includes ... a rubber johnny full of guts.
That's the Prime Minister surely? Now that IS scary!
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 February, 2014, 12:28:39 PM
This is all happening in an alternate universe to mine; I don't have time/money to buy the non-2000AD products but I do wish them all the best (fistulas and all).
Exactly. I do buy one of the IDW comics, Mega-City 2, which I really enjoy and happily embrace as part of 'my' Dredd. And that one wouldn't exist if not for the core IDW book, which doesn't seem like my kind of thing. So it's all good.
Can we have a Judge Mandelson? :lol:
Yeah, I don't want to be a hater about the IDW Dredd but this thread has had some great laughs in it.
It is early days and we don't know how this is all going to pan out. Wouldn't be the first time the Dark Judges had some new recruits that I wasn't too fond of. ::)
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The Wikipedia article on the dark Judges also list Pustula, Ephemera and Dementia. When were they brought in? Must have missed that.
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 February, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
The Wikipedia article on the dark Judges also list Pustula, Ephemera and Dementia. When were they brought in? Must have missed that.
Megazine 241, February 2006. We've not seen them since so I imagine we can all forget they ever existed. Some lovely Ranson designs, if nothing else.
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Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
Megazine 241, February 2006. We've not seen them since so I imagine we can all forget they ever existed. Some lovely Ranson designs, if nothing else.
Thanks DJ. I'll hook it out of the stack and take a goosey. There are still tracts of megazine I've not caught up on from my wilderness years. Should really rectify that
and Fagash Lil'
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that was from here:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50804 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50804)
CBR's EXCLUSIVE: Judge Choke Joins Death to Paint Swierczynzki's Mega City One Red
Er... wasn't Choke the first one revealed? In the very first post on the first page of this thread?
Do try and keep up, Huff. ;)
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 11:02:44 AM
all the evidence we have points to this being a major draw for readers in the States who have previously not picked up the ongoing Dredd title, which is only to the good.
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The Dredd Classics I thought were a really good step, but shrinking the material to the U.S. format didn't do the work any good.
I hate to be negative but when I see these character designs I just think Scooby Doo. I'm sure the Americans will lap them up but like Hershey's chocolate bars they are just not to my taste. And that is probably the point.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Er... wasn't Choke the first one revealed? In the very first post on the first page of this thread?
Do try and keep up, Huff. ;)
sorry old bean, only went back a couple o pages, that's all I could take :o
It will be
Rugrats: at the Academy next
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Er... wasn't Choke the first one revealed? In the very first post on the first page of this thread?
Do try and keep up, Huff. ;)
with his arm regalia .. does he choke the chicken ?
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
I for one, endorse this statement. I can't get 2000AD anywhere except for online and I live in a major metropolitan area in the US. I went to a very popular comic shop here in the Bay Area and they had never even heard of Dredd, movie or otherwise. We take what we can get :)
That's so weird...
I assumed the sales were low because I don't know anyone reading it. None of the nerds in the comic shops I haunt are even interested in the title. But still, cool, wish it was a better comic either way.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 12 February, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
I assumed the sales were low
They're ... kinda not. In fact, the combined sales of the IDW titles every month are pretty damn good.
I assumed if they were not selling then IDW would not be producing them, they do not have charitable status!
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Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 12 February, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
I assumed the sales were low
They're ... kinda not. In fact, the combined sales of the IDW titles every month are pretty damn good.
Oh, I'm not disputing that. I was just surprised for reasons I stated.
I gave the comic a go. A good, honest chance. I'll put it this way: I'm glad there are forum members willing to buy and send me copies of 2000AD and I haven't missed a prog in the 2 years since I've been back in the States.
I can't help but look at Judge Choke and think he looks like someone's poured a bucket of water over Judge Fire. :lol:
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
You don't think the repositioning of Dredd and the rewriting of concepts such as The Dark Judges is damaging to your core IP? Sales may be one thing but the direction this comic is in seems so far from the standards, quality and spirit of Dredd that one wonders what's 'Dredd' will mean to US audiences in a few years time.
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
You don't think the repositioning of Dredd and the rewriting of concepts such as The Dark Judges is damaging to your core IP? Sales may be one thing but the direction this comic is in seems so far from the standards, quality and spirit of Dredd that one wonders what's 'Dredd' will mean to US audiences in a few years time.
What else can they do? Cut Dredd serials out of the progs and release their own monthly series? I get the impression that getting the US market to jump onto a long running british anthology would be like getting most of the grumps on this board to read US comics. ;)
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
You don't think the repositioning of Dredd and the rewriting of concepts such as The Dark Judges is damaging to your core IP? Sales may be one thing but the direction this comic is in seems so far from the standards, quality and spirit of Dredd that one wonders what's 'Dredd' will mean to US audiences in a few years time.
Nope. It's been a resilient one over 37 years and will continue to be, and I'd dispute that IDW's work is that far from anything we've published over that period, it's just a different take and appeals to a different audience. Dredd isn't one character, one take, one interpretation, and the fact is he's more popular and with a greater profile now than at any point in the past 20 years.
Quote from: mimikeke on 12 February, 2014, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
I for one, endorse this statement. I can't get 2000AD anywhere except for online and I live in a major metropolitan area in the US. I went to a very popular comic shop here in the Bay Area and they had never even heard of Dredd, movie or otherwise. We take what we can get :)
You see what happens Larry? You see what happens?
Quote from: sheldipez on 12 February, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
What else can they do? Cut Dredd serials out of the progs and release their own monthly series? I get the impression that getting the US market to jump onto a long running british anthology would be like getting most of the grumps on this board to read US comics. ;)
This. One of the harsh truths we have to face is that, after 30 years of having access to them in multiple forms, if the American audience isn't reading the 'originals' then they're never going to and a different take than just telling them they should is required. They're not a charity, but IDW are doing 2000 AD a great service in reaching out to new audiences and the sales of our graphic novels have boomed along with it.
Quote from: sheldipez on 12 February, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Maybe? I suppose? What this ends up being is that this is what the uninitiated end up thinking the core of Dredd is all about. Well, this and the Stallone movie. Very few comic shops over here get 2000 AD at all, so there is very little exposure beyond the IDW stuff. It's not a good thing when someone has heard good things about Dredd, decides to try this, and then dismisses it as being silly and not very good... having no exposure to the Wagner books, or the work the other excellent creators are doing currently.
The figures for the IDW books are very healthy, which suggest there's an audience out there that either want something different in tone to 'traditional' Dredd or are not willing to read 2000 AD. This is an audience we simply cannot reach, but one that is being exposed to the character in a new way. How is this a bad thing? If the IDW stuff isn't to your tastes, that's fine - but it's something thousands and thousands of people enjoy every month. This is just a different string to the bow and has an excellent knock-on effect for awareness of our books in North America.
You don't think the repositioning of Dredd and the rewriting of concepts such as The Dark Judges is damaging to your core IP? Sales may be one thing but the direction this comic is in seems so far from the standards, quality and spirit of Dredd that one wonders what's 'Dredd' will mean to US audiences in a few years time.
What else can they do? Cut Dredd serials out of the progs and release their own monthly series? I get the impression that getting the US market to jump onto a long running british anthology would be like getting most of the grumps on this board to read US comics. ;)
They COULD just put out a better comic?
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
I gave it a chance too. I bought the first 10 issues hoping it would surprise me. It did, but not in a positive way.
Year One and Mars Attacks (and by all accounts Mega City 2 though I haven't read it) show that good, strong stories CAN be told in this 'universe' but the ongoing Dredd title is not doing that.
Quote from: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
With the very greatest of respect, this is just your opinion. A smidge under 10,000 people disagree with you every month.
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
With the very greatest of respect, this is just your opinion. A smidge under 10,000 people disagree with you every month.
Well, some of us agree fully but still buy it .. :lol:
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 February, 2014, 04:10:36 PM
Well, some of us agree fully but still buy it .. :lol:
Then there's no helping you ;)
I want more variant covers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
With the very greatest of respect, this is just your opinion. A smidge under 10,000 people disagree with you every month.
Is 10,000 sustainable? I understand the idea that a market is being served, and the vested interest associated to catering to that market. It kind of falls apart if the actual sales aren't there for the long-term and the title goes away.
My only real problem with the IDW Dredd is that it dilutes the perception of the 2000 AD brand to the American audience, who believe me still generally has no idea that 2000 AD is a thing. You are of course doing the lord's work in trying to spread the word over here, I just hope the IDW Dredd doesn't confuse the brand perception of the product.
Incidentally, I'm one of those 10,000 who buy every issue but doesn't really like it.
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 February, 2014, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
With the very greatest of respect, this is just your opinion. A smidge under 10,000 people disagree with you every month.
Well, some of us agree fully but still buy it .. :lol:
Yep. Tho Judge Shark Jump may have been one too much for me. I just wish IDW would change the creative team on this. Especially the artist. We can all wish IDW the best (and as of this deal I've bought all of their original '2000AD IP' output) but still say 'ya know, this really isn't very good' on the main title while wanting to support their endeavour.
Personally I've no idea why the main title gets to rip off, badly, so many characters and moments from Dredd's history. It reminds me of Before Watchmen. If I was new to the stuff and someone was to tell me the Dark Judges or the Angel Gang is the best Dredd stuff and I was to pick up the IDW riffs I'd never go near the character again. I don't mind that they have repositioned the character and concept, I do mind that they are turning out badly drawn (really, no hiding in 'that is your opinion', it's full of basic errors and scale problems) guff that plunders the great work of others.
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 04:23:55 PM
Is 10,000 sustainable?.
The numbers are holding very steady, which is not the norm for titles that aren't superheroes or a media franchise tie-in. Our readership fluctuates over time as well, but is slowly starting to tick upwards.
Quote from: Jo-L on 12 February, 2014, 04:23:55 PM
My only real problem with the IDW Dredd is that it dilutes the perception of the 2000 AD brand to the American audience, who believe me still generally has no idea that 2000 AD is a thing. You are of course doing the lord's work in trying to spread the word over here, I just hope the IDW Dredd doesn't confuse the brand perception of the product.
I really don't believe it does, if anything it increases the chance of them being exposed to our products (I hate the word 'brand' as it's so nebulous and vague that it doesn't really mean anything). They know Dredd, and that's it. Broadly speaking they don't want to read old comics, especially not black and whites ones, and the mere suspicion that a title is imported or - God forbid - British generates either shrugs or wails of fear. They don't want our Dredd, they want him on their terms. IDW provides that.
And I'm afraid they simply don't perceive 2000 AD at all, other than maybe as a passing thing when talking about Moore or Morrison, and nothing I do will change that. We can either face this reality or keep throwing money and wishful thinking at it.
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
(really, no hiding in 'that is your opinion', it's full of basic errors and scale problems)
Sorry, I and other droids in the office are fans of Nelson's work and I'd refute that very much indeed.
Dredd has always been a tough sell in the US though hasn't it? That market doesn't seem to embrace a character that is a fascist b*stard.
Looking at the IDW Dredd, you can see that they have gone some way in softening this and making the character more appealing for that market. That's not really the same as the Before Watchmen cash generation project is it?
If it's shifting graphic novels of proper Dredd, that's 'a good thing tm' and I'll continue to support it on that basis.
Quote from: Recrewt on 12 February, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
Dredd has always been a tough sell in the US though hasn't it? That market doesn't seem to embrace a character that is a fascist b*stard.
Didn't Nikolai Dante fail in the US though purely because he was a Russian character? If so then it's the stupidest of reasons. :(
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 12 February, 2014, 04:37:55 PM
Didn't Nikolai Dante fail in the US though purely because he was a Russian character? If so then it's the stupidest of reasons. :(
It's one of the reasons we were given anecdotally. Whether they were just looking for an excuse, we don't know.
Anyway, having just looked at Chris Ryall's twitter, he has confirmed that they are only going to reveal 7 new Dark judges Between now and Wednesday, there'll be 7 new Dark Judges (art by @nelsondaniel) released across the 'net., so who are the other two?
I still reckon it could be the ladies, as I just double checked issue 15 and there are at least 3 female dead Judges waiting to be turned, which buggers up that theory, unless some of the ones shown already are female!
Quote from: Recrewt on 12 February, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
Dredd has always been a tough sell in the US though hasn't it? That market doesn't seem to embrace a character that is a fascist b*stard.
Looking at the IDW Dredd, you can see that they have gone some way in softening this and making the character more appealing for that market. That's not really the same as the Before Watchmen cash generation project is it?
It reminds me of beyond Watchmen in that I was in a waterstones recently and noticed the beyond watchmen and (actual) watchmen stuff were identically presented so that if I didn't know better and was a first time buyer I'd easily pick up the wrong thing.
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
(really, no hiding in 'that is your opinion', it's full of basic errors and scale problems)
Sorry, I and other droids in the office are fans of Nelson's work and I'd refute that very much indeed.
Look forward to seeing him in the prog.
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Look forward to seeing him in the prog.
Probably not - he's got a regular gig.
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Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Look forward to seeing him in the prog.
Probably not - he's got a regular gig.
Aye. That's the reason.
What are you suggesting here? Is the only reason that Mignola is not drawing Dredd every week because everyone secretly thinks he's shit?
Hi Richard,
Excuse me for not replying to your point (which I don't really grasp tbh) but as you only ever post to have a go at me I'm not really interested.
Cheers.
The point of licencing Dredd comics to a US publisher was to try to get US readers to buy Dredd comics, because they don't at the moment and haven't in the past. Expecting the licensee to print the kind of comics Dredd's UK creators have been producing for nearly forty years without attracting US interest seems like a recipe for more failure.
If you don't like successful US comics and think they're a bit rubbish, and you don't like IDW's Dredd and think what they've done with the Dark Judges looks a bit rubbish, there's a fifty/fifty chance the kind of US reader who actually buys the comics you think are rubbish might think the 49 Dark Judges looks like a great idea and buys the comic.
I don't think the IDW main Dredd title looks like my kind of thing, and that what they've done with the Dark Judges looks a bit rubbish, so I won't bother with it. Their mini-series using Ewing, Coleby and Wolk are more my kind of thing, so I bought them. This thread was hilarious when it started off, now it's went a bit rubbish.
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: BPP on 12 February, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
(really, no hiding in 'that is your opinion', it's full of basic errors and scale problems)
Sorry, I and other droids in the office are fans of Nelson's work and I'd refute that very much indeed.
I'm personally
not a fan of Nelson Daniel's artwork, but there are indeed worse artists currently working in mainstream comics. He ain't
that bad at all.
I mentioned this point on another thread- I would absolutely forgive (what could be considered) sub-par artwork on IDW's Dredd if the writing hit the right notes.
There are many writers with a rock solid grip on Dredd currently working for US publishers; Si Spurrier, Mike Carroll, Rob Williams & Al Ewing to name a few.
Surely if tasked with making Dredd more accessible to a US audience, while still retaining what makes the character work, any one of those writers would far excel Swierczynski.
I'm not slating Duane Swierczynski as a comics writer by the way- I actually really enjoyed his stint on Marvel's 'Cable' a few years ago. I just don't think he's suited to Judge Dredd.
The point has already been proven with 'Mars Attacks Judge Dredd' & 'Year One'.
The editors in IDW obviously know what they're doing in the main- the company produces some excellent titles, with excellent creative teams. I really don't understand how blinkered they are to the quality of the writing on Dredd.
I'm absolutely delighted that IDW is helping raise the character's profile & sell 2000AD graphic novels in the US, but my personal opinion is that their main Dredd comic is currently a dogs dinner.
I'm now imagining Molch-R printing that sauchie olympics post in 100pt text, nailing it to the wall, and doing a little jig in front of it, before planning on nailing a copy to anyone's head who keeps moaning that IDW isn't doing 'our' Dredd.
Plenty of us read plenty of US titles so that adamant dichotomy is a complete red herring.
Wasn't Adamant Dichotomy an early 1970s prog-rock band from Lowestoft?
That was 'Adamant Dichotomy feat. Red Herring'.
Classic tracks. The US remastered CD didn't do their sound justice.
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Dredd being re-booted and jiggered about if the result was a good comic, but it's not. It's a bad comic. A very bad comic.
With the very greatest of respect, this is just your opinion. A smidge under 10,000 people disagree with you every month.
Indeed it is my opinion but I'm hardly a lone dissenting voice.
As I said, the other titles outside of the main one have worked very well and seem to have appealed to UK and US readers alike whereas the Swierzinski title is pretty much universally maligned, by UK readers at least.
I suppose the point is that nobody really cares whether it goes down well in this country or not as it's designed to sell in America.
Anything good for Rebellion, 2000 AD and Judge Dredd is great of course, I just don't like seeing my beloved Dredd being represented by what are (in my opinion) bad comics.
I'll continue to buy the good stuff and wait for the creative team to change on the main title.
I've been amused, over the last day or so, by the pictures of the new DJs (we agreed not to call them "the darkies" didn't we?) and was all ready to pop in here and say that, yes, I buy the IDW Dredd titles (and have preordered Rogue, despite not caring for the character), but I do so because of a compulsion to "support the line". Mars Attacks and Year One proved IDW can do it right, but equally the last fourteen issues of the main book have proven they also can't. I've not yet received my MC2#1, so my #2 sits unread at present. I was also going to say that while I find the art "alright", as it goes, it's the writing that has really let it down- along with the format not making the most of the "book length thriller every issue" and instead giving us a succession of mediocre back-up strips. I was going to say all that.
But I've just read #15 and for the very first time really enjoyed it. It read like a "proper" Dredd story (barring one or two character things that stuck out), and the art (except the hilarious two-footed kick through glass) was nice and told the story perfectly well. The set up for the DJs was well done, and it certainly got me interested enough to look forward to the next one.
Cards on the table- I'm not the biggest Dredd fan in the world. I don't read 2000AD for Dredd, and it's usually not in my top two thrills in a prog. I much prefer Pat Mills's output, and it's his work that sings "proper 2000AD" to me. I enjoy the strip when it's good, but I'm not as invested in the mythology as others. However, I did very much enjoy IDW's #15- more so than any previous issue, and probably up there with Mars Attacks and Year One. If it all kicks off in a similar style next issue, I might start to look forward to it more than I do now. Also, the back-up strip was rather lovely, and I loved the old-style McMahonesque helmets.
As for the DJs themselves- there are certainly at least two female judges in them tanks. Judge Nag and Judge You're On The Sofa Tonight Pal, perhaps?
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 12 February, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
I've just read #15 and for the very first time really enjoyed it. It read like a "proper" Dredd story (barring one or two character things that stuck out), and the art (except the hilarious two-footed kick through glass) was nice and told the story perfectly well. The set up for the DJs was well done, and it certainly got me interested enough to look forward to the next one.
Your status as this forum's foremost contrarian remains undiminished,
SBT.
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 12 February, 2014, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 12 February, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
I've just read #15 and for the very first time really enjoyed it. It read like a "proper" Dredd story (barring one or two character things that stuck out), and the art (except the hilarious two-footed kick through glass) was nice and told the story perfectly well. The set up for the DJs was well done, and it certainly got me interested enough to look forward to the next one.
Your status as this forum's foremost contrarian remains undiminished, SBT.
Quick, everyone say they love it and see how quickly he does a u turn!
Hoping that Judge Smoke gets a crossover team up with
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/DeadRez/nicoteen_zps1295054a.jpg) (http://s1117.photobucket.com/user/DeadRez/media/nicoteen_zps1295054a.jpg.html)
There was a Superman/Nic O'Teen anti-smoking poster on the wall of my primary four class room. I genuinely thought he was one of the title's rogue's gallery, and felt he should have been the villain in Superman IV instead of Nuclear Man. I don't think little-me was wrong. I don't smoke, so that poster must be why - hooray for advertising!
I love Superman's voice in this advert. He should have been portrayed like this in MoS. Nic O'Teen is a right evil bastard, he's Dark Judge as f@#k, from a certain point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW65xwXbB9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote from: Molch-R on 12 February, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
And I'm afraid [Americans] simply don't perceive 2000 AD at all, other than maybe as a passing thing when talking about Moore or Morrison, and nothing I do will change that. We can either face this reality or keep throwing money and wishful thinking at it.
I hope it's a nut that could be cracked. The major obstacles that we've always had over here are availability, visibility, and cost. The U.S. audience typically doesn't go for the weekly format, but we definitely like good comics. If those weekly Dredd strips were compiled into a monthly book (using the correct aspect ratio), and had really great covers I think we'd be all over it. It worked in the 80's with Eagle comics. I think that Underbelly release did ok, and there were a lot of people talking about the Zaucer of Zilk reprint that IDW published a while ago.
Some of the IDW content is tolerable, some of it is very good. A lot of it is downright terrible, and if that's the only exposure that fans get to the character they will reject the character entirely. I STILL hear people that tell me that they know Dredd from "the comics" because they tried the DC series from the 90's, and hated it.
I've always thought releasing 2000 AD as a monthly compilation of the most recent 4-5 Progs through a US publisher (Image, Dark Horse, or IDW, to solve that pesky overseas distribution problem) would be an elegant solution to getting the Prog into public consciousness of the North American Market. Sure it'd cost like 15-20 bucks a month, but you'd get a graphic novel worth of material.
I'm still hopeful the digital distribution will result in more awareness/penetration over time.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 12 February, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
I've always thought releasing 2000 AD as a monthly compilation of the most recent 4-5 Progs through a US publisher (Image, Dark Horse, or IDW, to solve that pesky overseas distribution problem) would be an elegant solution to getting the Prog into public consciousness of the North American Market. Sure it'd cost like 15-20 bucks a month, but you'd get a graphic novel worth of material.
When discussing digital distribution, the editorial line is always that it's the content which accounts for the vast majority of the cost of each prog. Us lot have already bought and paid for the content, so presumably any notional monthly US reprint (as described above) could be sold at a price which covered distribution and marketing, and not much more.
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 12 February, 2014, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 12 February, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
I've always thought releasing 2000 AD as a monthly compilation of the most recent 4-5 Progs through a US publisher (Image, Dark Horse, or IDW, to solve that pesky overseas distribution problem) would be an elegant solution to getting the Prog into public consciousness of the North American Market. Sure it'd cost like 15-20 bucks a month, but you'd get a graphic novel worth of material.
When discussing digital distribution, the editorial line is always that it's the content which accounts for the vast majority of the cost of each prog. Us lot have already bought and paid for the content, so presumably any notional monthly US reprint (as described above) could be sold at a price which covered distribution and marketing, and not much more.
The progs are pretty expensive here. I think the shops have it for like $5.50 American and 4+ times a month gets pretty pricey. The worse problem though is that we get them like 6 weeks late and 4 at a time, so it's impossible to stay current. Everything else being equal, I'd probably rather get the paper copies, but I like day and date so it's DRM free day & date digital for me all the way (which I do LOVE).
Jo-l wrote:
If those weekly Dredd strips were compiled into a monthly book (using the correct aspect ratio), and had really great covers I think we'd be all over it.
They are. IDW have been reprinting stories including the Apocalypse War.
It worked in the 80's with Eagle comics.
No it didn't. It was, at best, a mixed success. Also, their "aspect ratio" was fucked, at least in the later issues.
I say let the IDW creators do what they like. The prog endures.
- Trout
The IDW Dredd classics are great, I hope those are selling well. I really do like the coloring. It is a shame that they have to be shrunk to match the American standard size.
I do wish IDW the best, they're a really great company and I buy a lot of their product.
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Quote from: hippynumber1 on 11 February, 2014, 08:54:42 AM
Skullmo and I figured this out last night. The other nine are:
Judge Choke
Judge Bruise
Judge Internal Bleeding
Judge IBS
Judge Near Miss
Judge Static Shock
Judge Sharp Slap
Judge Funny Bone
Judge Piles
Sadly, Judge Cramp didn't quite make the grade!
Ha Ha! Funneh.
Coincidenatally, I was thinking recently that in order to become a serious threat to Mega City One, the Dark Judges would have to increase their numbers. Surely it took more than four of them to completely wipe out the entire population of Deadworld? A few more could be drafted in to help out in MC1.
Imagine the scenes as huge swathes of undead, unkillable murder-machines rampaged through the streets, bringing jusssstice to all.
If Necropolis was anything to go by, the Sisters of Death enthralled the planets various Justice Departments and military, and all Judges and auxilleries and soldiers were out killing on their behalf, against their own will, probably for years and years until the population was dead. And then they were in turn killed by each other and the Dark Judges.
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Oh dear. :(
Just wait untill you see Judge Skinner. I actually facepalmed when I saw him.
Arrrrrrrh C'ptn!!! Splice the mainbrace, Mortis, there's treasure in them thar corpsesss
maybe it's the governor?
What the hell is Stigmata's deal? "I have the power to spontaneously bleed a bit. Better watch out, he might get some on you and ruin your shirt."
Silly names and costumes aside, I actually really like the art. But that's probably cuz I'm a newb and don't have that indignant rage that comes along with liking a comic for years :)
Aye, the art on the DJ portraits is pretty nice when you look at them as a set. Whether the silly designs themselves work remains to be seen.
So many of us would have had the Judge Death Lives! centrespread reveal of the killin' cousins adorning our bedroom walls (which, nostalgia aside, is still an astonishing page), that's it quite hard to imagine others' first encounter with Deadworld being St. Francis of Arrr-sea-sea and his pal the naked mole rat.
Quote from: mimikeke on 13 February, 2014, 05:04:38 AM
Silly names and costumes aside, I actually really like the art. But that's probably cuz I'm a newb and don't have that indignant rage that comes along with liking a comic for years :)
I don't know about indignant rage, but I just laughed when I saw Skinner and his green wellies. He looked so happy.
I prefer to see the Dark Judges played relatively straight, (I'm not a fan when Ian Gibson draws them for example, but I love his art) - so it's not really a matter of the quality of the art, more who is a better fit.
It seems like they're going full-panto with this run.
Quote from: mimikeke on 13 February, 2014, 05:04:38 AM
Silly names and costumes aside, I actually really like the art. But that's probably cuz I'm a newb and don't have that indignant rage that comes along with liking a comic for years :)
Heh, nicely put! I don't think there's much, if any, indignant rage around here, though. Plenty of raised eyebrows, good-natured piss-taking and a general feeling of WTF?, which is fair enough.
Anyway, I hope the IDW series' continue to do well; they certainly seem to be finding an audience and interest in these will surely lead at least some people to dig deeper into the world of Dredd and 2000AD in general, which can only be a good thing.
Quote from: Jo-L on 13 February, 2014, 01:16:37 AM
The IDW Dredd classics are great, I hope those are selling well. I really do like the coloring. It is a shame that they have to be shrunk to match the American standard size.
I do wish IDW the best, they're a really great company and I buy a lot of their product.
The Dredd Classics line seemed like a fantastic opportunity to get 'real' Dredd out to the US but those page dimensions even put me off. It's not that it is smaller, it's the change in ratio which left those giant white margins at the bottom. Rebellion already reduce to the same page height as US comics for a lot of their tpbs and its not a problem because the page is wider so it still fits OK. Ignoring the cost implications of trying to release a US comic that is wider than normal, if they had done this then I believe they would have had a lot more appealing product.
Quote from: Recrewt on 13 February, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Ignoring the cost implications of trying to release a US comic that is wider than normal, if they had done this then I believe they would have had a lot more appealing product.
I've been told a few times by US folk that the non-uniform size of the prog puts both stores and punters off 2000 AD so I understood why IDW did it, I mean it looks horrible but if punters will flat out refuse to buy stuff that isn't standard size then it would be suicide.
Quote from: sheldipez on 13 February, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
I've been told a few times by US folk that the non-uniform size of the prog puts both stores and punters off 2000 AD.
Imagine the minds of these people. Being put off from buying a comic, not because of the content,
just because it's a different size to all the other comics they have.
Utterly moronic.
I know - people will be complaining about spines not matching on the bookshelf next! ;)
Quote from: Spaceghost on 13 February, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: sheldipez on 13 February, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
I've been told a few times by US folk that the non-uniform size of the prog puts both stores and punters off 2000 AD.
Imagine the minds of these people. Being put off from buying a comic, not because of the content, just because it's a different size to all the other comics they have.
Utterly moronic.
I've never heard this...
In fact, every comic store I go to has a section for magazine-sized comics (which
used to be all the rage in the US for a long time). The problem is cost and availability*...and, I think, the sheer amount of back issues to sort through. Imagine pondering whether or not to start reading a comic at issue 1700!!!
*It costs me less to have the progs shipped from the UK to me (thank you SBT and Davey Candlish) than it does to buy them in shops here.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 February, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
I know - people will be complaining about spines not matching on the bookshelf next! ;)
Now then, spines are a WHOLE different matter.
I had it on good authority that the size was problematic for the collectors and smaller stores who would be the primary owners of progs because correct-sized plastic coverings - so that the comics could be obsessively cataloged and stored in back-issue racks and basements - were harder to procure, as they had to use magazine-sized polybags, and even then the books were wider so they threw off the feng shui or something, or at the least necessitated making more shelf space and my impression has been that the only thing the vast majority of comics stores employees hate more then customers is having to do work.
I missed the start of this thread so apologies for asking, but was this some sort of competition to design new villains for Dredd to fight that IDW ran in the US? It reminds me of that time Dr Who ran a similar competition and the episode turned out okay and even had funny jokes about someone condemned to a living death as a paving slab that gave blowjobs, which I am sure was what the 8 year-old competition winner was thinking of when he designed the monster.
No competition, unfortunately it's all too real... I recommend you go back and read from pg1, there's some real chuckles along the way!
Wait a minute, 9 more Dark Judges? is that overkill or sold out?
Nine isn't enough. I was hoping there would be N-N-N-Nineteen!
Cheers
You know, in a sense, we are ALL Dark Judges.
At this rate it'll be over 9000!!!
Sent from my brain.
Quote from: Hap Hazzard on 13 February, 2014, 02:01:26 AM
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 11 February, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 February, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: gronk guy on 11 February, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
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Oh dear. :(
Just wait untill you see Judge Skinner. I actually facepalmed when I saw him.
Arrrrrrrh C'ptn!!! Splice the mainbrace, Mortis, there's treasure in them thar corpsesss
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Quote from: Alfaro on 13 February, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
At this rate it'll be over 9000!!!
Sent from my brain.
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Have IDW been reading old 2000AD Annuals?
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Quote from: W. R. Logan on 19 February, 2014, 06:57:18 PM
Have IDW been reading old 2000AD Annuals?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/20/ta8e6ypa.jpg)
I like the little cobweb on his bollocks. Little touches like that are what's missing from the IDW designs.
Quote from: Spaceghost on 19 February, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
I like the little cobweb on his bollocks.
ECBT2000ad pointed out that, after years on Titan, Nixon's snatch is covered in cobwebs:
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/91bbaa0e-e8db-45e3-8d1c-698d9d08f058.jpg?t=1392839836)
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 19 February, 2014, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 19 February, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
I like the little cobweb on his bollocks.
ECBT2000ad pointed out that, after years on Titan, Nixon's snatch is covered in cobwebs:
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/91bbaa0e-e8db-45e3-8d1c-698d9d08f058.jpg?t=1392839836)
See? Crotchwebs. A Dredd-world staple.
Quote from: sauchie olympics on 19 February, 2014, 08:00:37 PM
ECBT2000ad pointed out that, after years on Titan, Nixon's snatch is covered in cobwebs made an unfunny, sexist remark that shows up how badly they wish they were Frankie Boyle.
FTFY.
Cheers
Jim
I said that!
Thought I'd log in for the first time in ages to say thanks
I was of course aiming to suppress women everywhere. Damn them all!
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 13 February, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 13 February, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: sheldipez on 13 February, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
I've been told a few times by US folk that the non-uniform size of the prog puts both stores and punters off 2000 AD.
Imagine the minds of these people. Being put off from buying a comic, not because of the content, just because it's a different size to all the other comics they have.
Utterly moronic.
I've never heard this...
In fact, every comic store I go to has a section for magazine-sized comics (which used to be all the rage in the US for a long time). The problem is cost and availability*...and, I think, the sheer amount of back issues to sort through. Imagine pondering whether or not to start reading a comic at issue 1700!!!
Every time a European publisher starts publishing in the USA this comes up - see for example the reduced size Humanoids and Cinebook publish their titles, that's to accommodate the American market.
Quote from: Ancient Otter on 20 February, 2014, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 13 February, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Spaceghost on 13 February, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: sheldipez on 13 February, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
I've been told a few times by US folk that the non-uniform size of the prog puts both stores and punters off 2000 AD.
Imagine the minds of these people. Being put off from buying a comic, not because of the content, just because it's a different size to all the other comics they have.
Utterly moronic.
I've never heard this...
In fact, every comic store I go to has a section for magazine-sized comics (which used to be all the rage in the US for a long time). The problem is cost and availability*...and, I think, the sheer amount of back issues to sort through. Imagine pondering whether or not to start reading a comic at issue 1700!!!
Every time a European publisher starts publishing in the USA this comes up - see for example the reduced size Humanoids and Cinebook publish their titles, that's to accommodate the American market.
You may be right...but I've never heard of this being a problem and I've been buying comics in the US for...25 years maybe. As I said, magazine-sized comics were once huge here, there were as many larger formatted sized comics as there were "standard" US sized ones. Heavy Metal still moves.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 20 February, 2014, 01:56:48 AM
Quote from: Ancient Otter on 20 February, 2014, 01:49:39 AM
Every time a European publisher starts publishing in the USA this comes up - see for example the reduced size Humanoids and Cinebook publish their titles, that's to accommodate the American market.
You may be right...but I've never heard of this being a problem and I've been buying comics in the US for...25 years maybe. As I said, magazine-sized comics were once huge here, there were as many larger formatted sized comics as there were "standard" US sized ones. Heavy Metal still moves.
Heavy Metal is an oddity alright. Though check out the size of their Pat Mills books (Sha and Vampire Knight) to the English Vampire Knight sizes. Even Fantagraphics chickened out on releasing Ralph Azham by Lewis Trondheim in Bande Desinee size, they recut the whole book into a letterbox size.
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 19 February, 2014, 06:57:18 PM
Have IDW been reading old 2000AD Annuals?
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Slight similarity in the helmet?
(http://www.angelfire.com/comics/megacitytours/images/vatican.jpg)
V
Latest Dark Judge is........
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bih7r9zIAAA1dCS.jpg)
cos thats better than calling it Judge Cancer ::)
I won't show a pic as that would spoil the surprise of how this one looks, honestly :lol:
lordy is this out, I only managed to get through the last one last night
I thought the new DJ was a floating mass of anatomicaly ludicrous skull's with a laminated sheet blue tacked to his face. I'm dissapointed now.
It really is sounding like a LettersEntertainYou special feature on Dark Judge-themed reader art...
They have gone down a medical route with a few of these haven't they? Was JD recruiting in a hospital?
Judge Cyst.
Judge Neoplasm.
Judge Mass.
Judge Tumour.
Judge Lump.
Judge Malignant.
Judge Melanoma.
These all taken?
In keeping with the Spinal Tap theme, I hope at least one of the new Dark Judges gets stuck in his cheap, plasticky dimension-hopping cocoon and has to be freed by some of the others with angle grinders and crowbars. I expect nothing less from this nugget of pure gold!
Can we also have 9 new judge dredds?
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Can we also have 9 new judge dredds?
Underground Dredd
Space Dredd
Action Grip Dredd
Classic Dredd
Low Salt Dredd
Bedtime Dredd
Bathtime Dredd (with squirting lawgiver)
Edible Dredd
Natty Dredd
I sense a new Damage Report.
Quote from: Recrewt on 12 March, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Was JD recruiting in a hospital?
Truely evil:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02366/savile_2366795b.jpg)
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Space Dredd, Bathtime Dredd
Rob Williams has already written those two
(Titan & Scavengers). He may be sponsored by Hasbro.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UdyisRoN4UI/UsWuWnYMpaI/AAAAAAAAJqo/N96JDqFjKCQ/s320/Titan+cover+Dredd.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hIkvpJsdDRw/UffSaZdWlBI/AAAAAAAAJCk/ZwXwdHuvBZs/s320/Scavengerscover.jpg)
Quote from: sauchie on 12 March, 2014, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Space Dredd, Bathtime Dredd
Rob Williams has already written those two (Titan & Scavengers). He may be sponsored by Hasbro.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UdyisRoN4UI/UsWuWnYMpaI/AAAAAAAAJqo/N96JDqFjKCQ/s320/Titan+cover+Dredd.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hIkvpJsdDRw/UffSaZdWlBI/AAAAAAAAJCk/ZwXwdHuvBZs/s320/Scavengerscover.jpg)
Those are two action figures that should be getting produced!!
Quote from: sauchie on 12 March, 2014, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Space Dredd, Bathtime Dredd
Rob Williams has already written those two (Titan & Scavengers). He may be sponsored by Hasbro.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UdyisRoN4UI/UsWuWnYMpaI/AAAAAAAAJqo/N96JDqFjKCQ/s320/Titan+cover+Dredd.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hIkvpJsdDRw/UffSaZdWlBI/AAAAAAAAJCk/ZwXwdHuvBZs/s320/Scavengerscover.jpg)
Just what I was thinking! Although Nuclear Holocaust Hazmat Dredd may not be the most kid friendly toy!
"Nuclear Holocaust Hazmat Dredd", for kids, 'Glow in the Dark Dredd'.
* comes with free collaborators.
Ha! I never really noticed it before, but do you think Mr Flint had a Buzz Lightyear around when he designed Space Dredd?
Quote from: Skullmo on 13 March, 2014, 02:29:38 PM
Just what I was thinking! Although Nuclear Holocaust Hazmat Dredd may not be the most kid friendly toy!
You can with BioShock Big Daddy?
(http://www.levelupstudios.com/lvlup-products/levelupstudios-irrationalgames-bioshock2-rosie2-750.jpg)
Just read the 'reveal' of the new Dark Judges. I can't help but feel that IDW have missed the mark by miles on this one.
[spoiler]Judge Choke....not bad, if a tad obvious.
Judge FISTULA?? Really???
Judge Burroghs.....because he 'burrows'....must have taken hours to come up with that one.
Judge Skinner...fair enough, bit of a 'Wild Bill' from silence of the lambs thing going on.
Judge Sleep.....lame.
Judge Metastasis.......whatever.[/spoiler]
And there's more to come unfortunately. Death was a great character, the addition of Fear, Fire, and Mortis only added to the awesomeness. Phobia and Nausia may not have pleased everyone, but they still fit with the general feel of the Dark Judges. These new ones are just SUPER LAME.
[spoiler]Judge Stigmata......Judge Sludge.....and Judge weird blank space thing.[/spoiler]
Pish.
I think you're being unduly harsh - this is the US market we're talking about, so they likely appraised the material and thought that since Dredd is just a masked crimefighter, he needs some supervillains to fight.
Judge Fudge.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 13 March, 2014, 03:39:12 PM
since Dredd is just a masked crimefighter, he needs some supervillains to fight.
And there's plenty to choose from without inventing judge LowerBackPain, or Judge Papercut, Judge IBS,
Judge Whitestuffthatgathersatthecornerofyourmouthwhenyouarede-hydrated, Judge Judy, or whatever.
There is a Judge Judy in the latest issue!
Judge Judy Janus ;)
Damn....forgot about that! :-[
Ok, replace her with Judge MouthUlcer.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 13 March, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
There is a Judge Judy in the latest issue! Judge Judy Janus ;)
The character every fan was waiting to see! Seems odd to even bother with one of the
many obvious Anderson analogues hacked out by other writers to avoid stepping on Alan Grant's toes.
Quote from: sauchie on 13 March, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
The character every fan was waiting to see!
Millar's most enduring contribution to the franchise. Like, rilly.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 March, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Millar's most enduring contribution to the franchise. Like, rilly.
It doesn't do to analyse the alchemy that created Dredd's greatest adventure -
Inferno - too closely, but I tend to think of Morrison as deserving all the credit for Janus. Baldy certainly scripted most of her appearances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Janus); however, I expect it took the chipmunk-like Millar's input to create such a well rounded and original character. You're right, though - Janus aside, I can't think of a single character or storyline originated by Millar which other writers have picked up on in the intervening years. Not
Red Razors, not
Crusade, not
Book Of The Dead ...
Didn't Titan make reference to Purgatory and Inferno?
Quote from: Professor Bear on 13 March, 2014, 07:23:14 PM
Didn't Titan make reference to Purgatory and Inferno?
... and
Judgement Day, thanks to the reference to the drop-suit. I didn't mean Millar's work had been written out of continuity, just that no story he contributed to the strip has served as the springboard for another story and no character he originated (Janus aside) has cropped up since. Given the way everything from the Kleggs to Kazan have been strip mined for inspiration by the not-Wagners, I suppose the early nineties must be up for some fracking in the near future.
Still waiting for Judge Goaty...
Quote from: Goaty on 13 March, 2014, 08:37:36 PM
Still waiting for Judge Goaty...
You know what? The funniest thing is that could happen.
Quote from: sauchie on 13 March, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 13 March, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
There is a Judge Judy in the latest issue! Judge Judy Janus ;)
The character every fan was waiting to see! Seems odd to even bother with one of the many obvious Anderson analogues hacked out by other writers to avoid stepping on Alan Grant's toes.
I quite liked Janus.
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2014, 08:13:43 AM
Hugh Janus?
Careful now... isn't that the sort of thing that got Roger banned?
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Trout on 13 March, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 13 March, 2014, 08:37:36 PM
Still waiting for Judge Goaty...
You know what? The funniest thing is that could happen.
Hehe... hopefully.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 March, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 13 March, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
The character every fan was waiting to see!
Millar's most enduring contribution to the franchise. Like, rilly.
Grant Morrison's, actually. From TPO: 'Janus was a rave-era character, the kind I was meeting, so she felt more relevant to me than Judge Anderson, who had this kind of dated Debbie Harry vibe.'
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 14 March, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 March, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 13 March, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
The character every fan was waiting to see!
Millar's most enduring contribution to the franchise. Like, rilly.
Grant Morrison's, actually. From TPO: 'Janus was a rave-era character, the kind I was meeting, so she felt more relevant to me than Judge Anderson, who had this kind of dated Debbie Harry vibe.'
Grant Morrison creating a bald character! That is a first!
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 14 March, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Grant Morrison's, actually. From TPO: 'Janus was a rave-era character, the kind I was meeting, so she felt more relevant to me than Judge Anderson, who had this kind of dated Debbie Harry vibe.'
That Grant Morrison really does work hard at undermining my tremendous respect for his writing! Next you'll be telling me Psi-Judge Bhaji is his too...
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
That Grant Morrison really does work hard at undermining my tremendous respect for his writing! Next you'll be telling me Psi-Judge Bhaji is his too...
The sniggering
Viz-like tone of the Millar/Morrison partnership means I always imagined Judge Bhaji's first name was Unwin. It's a good job they both spent years writing earnest stories about the iniquities of the remand system in UK prisons and Freud-literate deconstructions of the psychology of the superhero, so we could all be certain they were laughing
at lazy racist stereotypes.
How many years separate Morrison/Millar from Jade Goody?
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 14 March, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 March, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 13 March, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
The character every fan was waiting to see!
Millar's most enduring contribution to the franchise. Like, rilly.
Grant Morrison's, actually. From TPO: 'Janus was a rave-era character, the kind I was meeting, so she felt more relevant to me than Judge Anderson, who had this kind of dated Debbie Harry vibe.'
I'm probably missing something obvious, but the only other ravebaldy girl I remember Morrison gifting us is one of the other super heroes in the latter Zenith books. Who have I overlooked?
Mind you, my favourite balding Psi Judge is Gellar, so...
Okay, back on track sort of...
I've got Prog 406 open in front of me and am looking at Judge Hate, drawn by Earthlet Steve Heard of High Wycombe. Anybody remember any other reader-created Dark Judges making Tharg's page?
(Aside form the obvious Judge Fred Flintstone Death riffs, obviously)
Quote from: QuickQuag on 28 March, 2014, 04:57:24 AM
Anybody remember any other reader-created Dark Judges making Tharg's page?
Judge Steel, by Earthlet Gordon Klimes of Slough. Not only are there three actual Judge Steels in Dredd World (Treasure, Becky, Amy), but the design of the character prefigures both Colin MacNeil's original (and definitive) Mechanismo robots
and Simon Bisley's pumped-up take on Mr and Mrs Fargo's little clone:
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/a5ef4f17-cca7-4875-97d5-5dfa4b1badcb.jpg?t=1396027883)
And, if I'm not mistaken, and Right and LEFT Hand of Doom!
there was definitely a Judge stench around the 500s